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Posted by Gunnison142 on Friday, April 1, 2016 5:57 PM

The driver quartering and bent side rods are all definitely worth looking into. I had the same symptoms on one of my N scale Bachmann locomotives. The problem with my engine was the eccentric crank on one side of the engine. The screw had loosened allowing the crank to rotate to a position where it would jam the valve gear at one point in the rotation. I readjusted the eccentric crank and tightened the screw and the problem was gone. It might be worth a look....

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Posted by Paul3 on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:56 PM

Another possible reason for jamming not mentioned yet is that one or more of the siderods may have had their holes worn to a larger size.  On steam engines that have a lot of heavy use on them, this is a real possibility.  Check to see how much slop there is on every siderod.  It shouldn't have much at all.  If there's too much slop, it can cause the wheels to be out of alignment.  If that's the problem, the only real solution is new rods.  Bachmann should have replacements for most types.

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Posted by hon30critter on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:28 PM

To the OP:

snjroy
Yup, I tried CA on one of mine and it did not hold.

That's why I suggested knurling the axle a bit. Note the "a bit" part. Otherwise the wheels may be difficult to get back on or they won't be square on the axles.

There is nothing wrong with using a bit of CA too. It can't hurt unless you get it in the wrong places.

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Posted by snjroy on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 10:20 PM

Yup, I tried CA on one of mine and it did not hold.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 12:01 PM

Southgate

As already noted, out of quarter is your most likely problem. Older Bachmanns are notorious for this.

 
I agree.  The drivers are on stub axles, much like most current-day diesels.  However, the tolerances are such that they often slip on the metal axle on which they're mounted, resulting in out-of-quarter drivers, which, in-turn, will jamb the siderods. While I have a NWSL Quarterer, it's easy to re-quarter by eye, given the slop in most mechanisms.  You can try a drop or two of ca to secure the re-adjusted drivers, but since there's engineering plastic involved, the fix is unlikely to be permanent.
This one had the same problem:
 
 
I've heard that the more recent offerings of these same locos are better.
 
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Posted by RR_Mel on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:02 AM

The OP needs to specify what model of Bachmann locomotives he is having problems with.  I have several Bachmann Plus GS4s that the drivers literally fell off (Quarting and AC fixed that).  Early on Bachmann sold a replacement driver wheel set that took care of the problem.  Any Bachmann steam locomotive earlier than the Plus Series is pretty much un-repairable and the Plus Series parts are dwindling fast.  They have good support for the Spectrum Series.
 
The last GS4 Plus Series I returned for repair (about 2009) was un-repairable, no parts available (Drivers).  Under the Bachmann Warranty Policy I was offered a lesser locomotive as a replacement/repair.  When I declined their offer and I ask them to just return the broken locomotive I was given an option for an upgrade to a newer DCC GS4 for $35 under the Warranty Policy, I jumped at that one.
 
While I haven’t put much run time on the Spectrum DCC GS4 I will say it is still a very good running locomotive, much better than the Plus Series.  I wasn’t able to program the headlight to work using my MRC Prodigy but I got it working using JMRI.
 
 
 
 
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Posted by snjroy on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 8:11 AM

If you take it apart, take a look at the motor. If it is square and flat, that would qualify as an "older" bachmann. All of mine are now part of the "parts" box...

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Posted by Southgate on Wednesday, March 30, 2016 5:31 AM

As already noted, out of quarter is your most likely problem. Older Bachmanns are notorious for this.

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Posted by hon30critter on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 9:39 PM

Hi DCHO:

Bent connecting rods can definitely cause the problems you are experiencing. They don't have to be bent by much either. Out of quarter wheels will also mess things up severely.

My suggestion would be to take the locomotives apart so you can push the drive wheel assembly by hand. The motor has to be removed. You should be able to push the drive wheel assembly back and forth on the track using very little force. It should roll freely in fact.

If it binds keep the wheels in that position and carefully examine the connecting rods to see if anything is touching. Like I said, the bends may not be very obvious. It could also be a rivet or pin that has come loose. If you find several bent rods then you need to question how the locomotives are being handled or stored. Bumping or squeezing the rods will cause problems.

If nothing shows up there then you have to check that the drivers are properly quartered. In other words, the points where the rods attach to the wheels have to be offset by the exact amount. This can be done by trial and error but the NWSL quartering tool would be a good investment if you have a lot of steamers. It will identify any problems immediately.

If you discover that the wheels are out of quarter test the wheels to see if one or both are loose on the axle. They won't be sloppy (hopefully) but if you can rotate one of the wheels while the other stays still without extreme force then you need to tighten the joint between the wheel and the axle. This can be done by removing the wheel and slightly roughing up the surface of the axle (emphasis on 'slightly'). One method is to use a pair of ribbed jaw needle nose pliers to form slight ridges on the axle where the wheel sits. When you put the wheel back on the axle try to have it as close to quartered as possible so you don't destroy the ridges when making adjustments. A little thin CA can help but make sure you have cleaned all the oil/grease off the mating surfaces first. Quarter the wheels and then add the CA, not the other way around!

Good luck. Others' advise may differ.

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Posted by sfcouple on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:51 PM

It's always possible that one set of drivers is "out of quarter" for one reason or another.  Northwest Short Line makes a nice tool that automatically quarters drivers. They run about $40 or so and the tool can also be used to compare the quartering of different driver sets to see which one is causing the problem. 

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Posted by RR_Mel on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:28 PM

For me it would depend on the vintage of the locomotives.  It might be the wheels have slipped on the axles and need quartering.  You can buy a quartering jig and quarter them yourself.
 
As they are Bachmann it might be worth sending them back to Bachmann for repairs.  This also would be a decision depending on age of the locomotives.  They might not have parts available for older locomotives then there’s the fee for repair.  Are they worth the effort and cost to have them repaired?  The Bachmann warranty is very good.
 
 
 
 
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Steam Locomotive linkage
Posted by DCHO on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:10 PM

Is there any write up or other information on how to set up or adjust the linkage on the sides of a steam locomotive.  I have several Bachmann Steam Locomotives that appear to freeze up because the linkage has jamed.  Is it because some part has worn, linkage has bent slightly or other reasons.  How can it be corrected?  I would appreciate any ideas.

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