I wasn't sure if this should be posted on the electircal forum or not but it really isn't about the electrical issues. I have plans to add DCC to the Mantua Pacific and so I installed a Canon EN22 can motor this morning as the first step. I was surprised at how much pulling power it has now, so I placed 2 1/2 pounds (just had a couple of brass and steel slugs) of weight on a flat car and the engine pulled it with no problem at all. I think it would pull twice that amount. I was wondering if that is a normal load in weight/pounds for an engine to pull?
-Bob
Life is what happens while you are making other plans!
Mel,
Good to hear about your experience with these motors. I will definately use more of them on my other conversion projects. Thanks,
farrellaa....I was wondering if that is a normal load in weight/pounds for an engine to pull?
I don't think that's exceptional and suspect that the loco would pull much more. The NMRA recommends that an HO scale 40' boxcar weigh 4oz., which means that your loaded flatcar is sorta the equivalent of 10 boxcars (I say sorta because your flatcar has only four axles, compared to the 40 of the ten car train).One of my Bachmann Consolidations, with a bit of added weight, can move a 100oz. train on level track (12 loaded cars and a caboose), but it takes two of them to handle the same train on a grade.The Mantua Pacific is much heavier than a Bachmann Consolidation, and should be able to haul quite a bit more.
When I first got my Athearn Mikados, and discovered how poorly they pulled, I experimented to see if added weight would yield much of an improvement. As a test, I formed a "saddle" of sheet lead and draped it over the loco's boiler, then, while holding the tender to prevent the loco from moving, applied power. I was surprised to see that the drivers slipped readily, indicating that the added weight could easily be handled by the motor. Unfortunately, the locomotive's boiler didn't have room to accomodate the additional 2 1/2lbs. of lead which comprised the "saddle".
Your new motor should be well-suited to DCC operation.
Wayne
farrellaa I wasn't sure if this should be posted on the electircal forum or not but it really isn't about the electrical issues. I have plans to add DCC to the Mantua Pacific and so I installed a Canon EN22 can motor this morning as the first step. I was surprised at how much pulling power it has now, so I placed 2 1/2 pounds (just had a couple of brass and steel slugs) of weight on a flat car and the engine pulled it with no problem at all. I think it would pull twice that amount. I was wondering if that is a normal load in weight/pounds for an engine to pull? -Bob
Hi Bob... is there any possibility of a photo of your conversion either on the forum or sent to my email please? I have a number of Canon motors and even though I have a can motor Pacific, I have not been that happy with its pulling power!
Cheers from Oz
Trevor
xdfordHi Bob... is there any possibility of a photo of your conversion either on the forum or sent to my email please? I have a number of Canon motors and even though I have a can motor Pacific, I have not been that happy with its pulling power! Cheers from Oz Trevor
Here are some pics of the remotor work on my Mantua Pacific. This is not the final rework as I plan to modify the mounting of the motor to get better alignment with the gearbox shaft and also to replace the tubing with a universal joint coupling (although it does run quite smooth as is). I had to grind/file the inside of the boiler to clear the motor (about 1/32 from each side). This was a quick install to see how it performed; the motor is held with 2-face tape and the boiler shell confines it from moving lateraly. The EN22 is a perfect choice for this engine.
RR_MelI have twenty Canon EN22 motors in my locomotives and I don’t think you can overload them!
Mel, where do you find these Cannon motors?
George In Midcoast Maine, 'bout halfway up the Rockland branch
I see them all over eBay, for $19.95.
--Randy
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Thank you Bob and Mel... great photos
G Paine... I got mine from Ebay some time ago! I did check for current ones and they seem to be readily available,
Mine are actually DN22's but share the same dimensions as the EN22. I have two powering Athearn RDC's which I used Athearn SW trucks which I refiled closer to the shape of the RDC truck. They run very well. I know they are not true length but as my layout has some sharp curves they are fine...
Regards
G Paine RR_Mel I have twenty Canon EN22 motors in my locomotives and I don’t think you can overload them! Mel, where do you find these Cannon motors?
RR_Mel I have twenty Canon EN22 motors in my locomotives and I don’t think you can overload them!
RR_MelSeveral years ago I accidently ran into them at BGMicro.com for $1.19 each and bought 20 of them. After they arrived and realized what they were I went back to their site to buy 20 more but they were sold out. Since then I have bought some from Motorman.com and picked up 6 of the EN22D dual shafts off eBay for $7 each. Mel
No wonder you have so many. I had tried a DN22 but it was too slow so I replaced it with the EN22 that I got on Ebay for $14.95; best price I could find and that was for a 'one of a kind' offer. Now that I know how good they are I will look for them on and off. The only thing I don't like about using Goop or other adhesives is that you can't remove the motor without destroying the mounting. I may try some caulk when I get the final setup ready.
I also like to rescue old Rivarossi articulateds, like the Cab Forward I just sold. I have rebuilt about 4 of them so far but have an InterMountain DCC/Sound one for my layout.
Trevor,
Glad the photos were good enough to see what I did. BTW, I just was playing around with the coupling that came out of the original Mantua motor/drive and it may actually work with the new motor. The coupling is a rubber tube with metal colars on each end that have splined insides that grip the tube when the shaft is installed. I will try it and see if it is any better than the tubing I have now.