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Rail car dilemma
Posted by gator63 on Sunday, November 15, 2015 7:43 PM

I have a dilemma. I have been getting my rail cars out of storage that have been put up for some time. I'm finding I have a lot of missing and broken parts. My problem is a lot are out of production kits. Most are Athearn, Round House ConCor and Walthers kits. Ladders, hatchs, steps and the list gos on. Out of approx 200 kits I would say 75% need some kind of work. I would hate to scrap that amount we are talking over 500.00 worth of kits. For the record HO scale. Any advice?    

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Posted by SouthPenn on Sunday, November 15, 2015 7:50 PM

Search Ebay??

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Posted by dinwitty on Sunday, November 15, 2015 7:52 PM
you can contact Athearn for parts. Just go thru car by car, put whatever you can together workable running, make note of what parts may be missing/broken, scour walthers for parts and go headstrong.
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Posted by RR_Mel on Sunday, November 15, 2015 8:33 PM

My thing is restoring basket cases from train shows and eBay.  If you’re into it try casting your own parts.  With 200 kits you should have every part needed to make a mold of every part you will ever need.  I have restored over a dozen Rivarossi Cab Forwards using my own parts.
 
Actually it’s really neat to have the exact part on hand in your own parts drawers.  After three years of casting I probably have a better inventory of rolling stock parts than Hobby Distributors have.
 
 
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Posted by G Paine on Sunday, November 15, 2015 11:00 PM

Mel, what do you use for casting and where do you get the stuff to make molds and casting materials?

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Posted by mlehman on Monday, November 16, 2015 1:46 AM

Once you start consolidating stuff, you'll find that you can turn a few kits into the parts sources for the other. Pick the least intersting kits to you to be the donors.

Also consider that older kits tended to be more generic. You'll find the same kit -- and parts -- just painted differently. A little paint and you;re back in business.

Some kits supply extra parts. Never throw them away, as they come in handy elsewhere.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Monday, November 16, 2015 2:38 AM
“Google” HO scale freight car detail parts, there is a choice.
I have managed to make ladders, grab irons and stirrup steps from .012” and .020” brass rod, which could be worth a go if you’re so inclined.
Your castings sound interesting Mel, like George I’m interested in your methods.
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Posted by RR_Mel on Monday, November 16, 2015 5:24 AM

G Paine

Mel, what do you use for casting and where do you get the stuff to make molds and casting materials?

 

Hi George & Bear
 
I’ve tried several different manufacturers from Micro-Mark, eBay to Hobby Lobby.  All of the casting kits work.  There is one fault with casting that there is no workaround for, shelf life.  I’m currently using the Alumilite Mini Casting Kits purchased at Hobby Lobby at $30 list (use their 40% discount coupon).
 
The resins and mold rubber have a 10 month shelf life so I try to buy in small amounts.  Micro-Mark sells 1:1 mix ratio in two 16 oz bottles, 32 oz is difficult for me to use up in less than 10 months causing a lot of waist.  At close to $1.50 per oz waist can be very costly, $$$$$.
 
The Alumilite kit from Hobby Lobby has 4 oz of Silicone rubber and 8 oz of casting resin.  The Silicone rubber is a 10:1 mix ratio and that can be difficult.  If you miss the ratio the silicone either sets up too quick or never cures.  I went to my wife’s cooking measuring spoons and haven’t screwed up since, there is a definite learning curve to the 10:1 mix ratio.  The Alumilite resin is a 1:1 mix so that’s easy to do.
 
I have made hundreds of detail parts over the last few years, mainly for my restoral projects.  With a little experience under your belt making molds you can duplicate almost anything, even figures.
 
Another option is using JB-Kwik Epoxy in your molds for really strong parts, such as truck sideframes.
 
There is a learning curve to casting, biggest problem is air bubbles.  Mixing the resins creates super small air bubbles as it cures, with experience you will learn how to make castings without air bubble holes in the surface of your castings.  A sharp toothpick helps a lot.   
 
 
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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, November 16, 2015 5:35 AM

gator63

I have a dilemma. I have been getting my rail cars out of storage that have been put up for some time. I'm finding I have a lot of missing and broken parts. My problem is a lot are out of production kits. Most are Athearn, Round House ConCor and Walthers kits. Ladders, hatchs, steps and the list gos on. Out of approx 200 kits I would say 75% need some kind of work. I would hate to scrap that amount we are talking over 500.00 worth of kits. For the record HO scale. Any advice?    

Are you looking for advice on how and where to sell some or all of these kits?
 
Are you looking to find missing parts so you can repair all of the cars?
 
Another alternative would be to cannabalize some of the cars for repair parts on the rest of the cars. Of the 200 kits, you can salvage at least 100 cars, maybe more. Then, sell the remaining parts and kits to others who may also be in need of repair parts.
 
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Posted by mobilman44 on Monday, November 16, 2015 6:15 AM

The OP's dilemna is a message to us all.   Store those excess cars/locos in their original boxes with a wrap of paper towel (non decorated). 

I agree with Richhotrain that I would first cannabalize cars to salvage others.  Of course my question is, where are the broken parts, and why aren't they available to help in the salvage efforts? 

ENJOY  !

 

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Posted by dehusman on Monday, November 16, 2015 6:37 AM

Before you start canabalizing parts, check with a well stocked hobby shop.  Most sell parts such as ladders and sill steps.  Why wreck something completely when it can be fixed for a dollars worth of parts.

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, November 16, 2015 6:43 AM

dehusman

Before you start canabalizing parts, check with a well stocked hobby shop.  Most sell parts such as ladders and sill steps.  Why wreck something completely when it can be fixed for a dollars worth of parts.

 

Well, he would not be wrecking something completely.  The suggestion was to cannabalize the needed parts and then sell the remaining parts and kits to others who may also be in need of repair parts. A win-win situation.

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Posted by kasskaboose on Monday, November 16, 2015 7:16 AM

Instead of boxes, can you put them on a train shelf?  I don't think making one is too difficult.  The shelf is more appealing and organized than stacks of boxes.  Besides, pulling out a car is also much easier.  Ah, if only I had reason to have a large storage shelf!

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Posted by mobilman44 on Monday, November 16, 2015 8:04 AM

Nothing wrong with having a train shelf or cabinet............

Only problem is that guys like me (and a bunch of others I'll bet) would need some really big cabinets and longgggggg shelves to hold them all.

ENJOY  !

 

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Posted by John Busby on Monday, November 16, 2015 8:56 AM

Hi

A cabinet sounds wonderfull uhm but where do I get one big enough,

I only have 50 years worth of stuff to store not much really.

Oh then there are the odds and ends we all have piles of.

regards John

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Posted by gator63 on Monday, November 16, 2015 9:01 AM

Thanks for the advice guys. I wil try to hit the high points 1st. No LHS sad fact. 2nd. I'm not big into selling stuff. Most that I can't fix will just go in the trash. I have way to much crap from all my hobbies that needs thinning down. 3rd. Casting no talent here and most parts are very small. 4th Cannabalizing is going to be my 1st step starting with my covered hoppers. 5th I tryed Walthers for parts for my air slides and auto rack car unless I'm over looking something i can't find what I need. I'm going to take time to day to try a indepth online search. Thanks   

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Monday, November 16, 2015 9:18 AM

Sometimes you need to pack things up either for storage or for moving.

LION has many freight cars and pax cars wrapped up in paper towels and stored. I'm afraid I will never use many of the freight cars, except to maybe canibalize and kit-bash into MOW equipment.

The Pax cars will live again on a static display purporting to be New York Penn Station. As everybody knows, NYP is under ground, and so will mine be, people will have to peek into the station to see the equipment, so damaged stock can have the ickky side facing away from the viewer.

Dead Locomotives will appear at the Coney Island backshop. Even complete basket cases will look just fine there.

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Posted by wjstix on Monday, November 16, 2015 9:26 AM

I'd start by either checking the Walthers website, or getting their new 2015 catalogue. The thing is, you don't have to have parts from the manufacturer to fix up the cars - in fact there are many folks who over the years have bought Athearn, MDC, etc. kits and then replaced things likes ladders, grab irons, roofwalks etc. with better detailed replacement parts from companies like Cal-Scale, A-Line, Detail Associates and others.

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Posted by rrebell on Monday, November 16, 2015 10:02 AM

gator63

Thanks for the advice guys. I wil try to hit the high points 1st. No LHS sad fact. 2nd. I'm not big into selling stuff. Most that I can't fix will just go in the trash. I have way to much crap from all my hobbies that needs thinning down. 3rd. Casting no talent here and most parts are very small. 4th Cannabalizing is going to be my 1st step starting with my covered hoppers. 5th I tryed Walthers for parts for my air slides and auto rack car unless I'm over looking something i can't find what I need. I'm going to take time to day to try a indepth online search. Thanks   

 

Just make a list of what you need, bet some of us have the parts laying around.

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Posted by maxman on Monday, November 16, 2015 11:36 AM

There seems to be some confusion, or at least I'm confused.

Are you talking about already built cars that were stored incorrectly and parts fell off from rough handling?  Or are you talking about kits which you are now finding to be missing parts?

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Posted by gator63 on Monday, November 16, 2015 3:15 PM

maxman

There seems to be some confusion, or at least I'm confused.

Are you talking about already built cars that were stored incorrectly and parts fell off from rough handling?  Or are you talking about kits which you are now finding to be missing parts?

 

 

Most have been built and were in storage. Some were along the line parts have been broken and lost in some of my moves. So yes rough handling and inproper storage on my part.

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Posted by Ron High on Monday, November 16, 2015 4:28 PM

With over 200 cars it sounds like a lot of work. I would start with the easily repaired cars . Then do more complex repairs. If the cars are older OOP I would bet a lot of them have mostly cast on detail parts. The Athearn, Roundhouse, Concor cars  may have nothing more than broken steps and missing brakewheels. There are metal replacement steps that may require drilling and glue .It is easy to find brake wheels.

Are these cars Kadee coupler equipped if not now is the time to change them. Do the trucks have plastic wheels ,replace them with metal wheels .While you are at it use a coupler height gauge and an NMRA gauge to check wheel gauge. If you start with easier repairs you won't be overwhelmed with the work you have.

Ron High

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