LOL
Well I was kidding around, Wayne, but I will save the instructions.
Rich
Alton Junction
I thought that I had outlined the construction of Bertram's somewhere, but I don't mind running through it again. The main building is Walthers Vulcan Manufacturing, built with both long sides facing the viewer, and the unseen rear side and the roof made from .060" sheet styrene. I used the same material to add a foundation under the whole structure, and also a loading dock in the area of your partial photo.The majority of the walls in your photo are Model Die Casting parts - no longer available, although you may find them on e-bay. An alternative would be Walthers brick sheets, which might match the brick style of the main building better than the MDC stuff. The roofs over this part and over the loading dock is leftover roof from a Vollmer Roundhouse, but .060" sheet styrene should work just as well. The stack is from the Vulcan kit, and sits on a platform within the structure - I wanted it taller in consideration of the passenger station across the tracks behind it.The rest of it, unseen in your photo, is the LifeLike Bottling Plant. I rearranged the walls a bit into an "L" shape, and had to make a new rear wall from more .060" styrene. There's also a flat-roofed one storey addition within the "L" - not sure if it's leftovers from the bottling plant or more MDC brick.
That's about it - not an especially difficult build, and most of the needed stuff (or substitutes for it) is readily available.
Wayne
I want to kitbash some styrene plastic parts to look like the building in the photo, but I have no idea where to even begin. Any suggestions?
Brent
"All of the world's problems are the result of the difference between how we think and how the world works."
BATMAN doctorwayne As I type this, Rich, I'm constructing a scratchbuilt turkey sandwich, and will get it down to the Post Office first thing tomorrow morning. I'm pretty sure I have your address here somewhere...... Wayne I here Rich likes lot's of mayo on his turkey sandwiches, so use white glue.
doctorwayne As I type this, Rich, I'm constructing a scratchbuilt turkey sandwich, and will get it down to the Post Office first thing tomorrow morning. I'm pretty sure I have your address here somewhere...... Wayne
I here Rich likes lot's of mayo on his turkey sandwiches, so use white glue.
On the Walthers turkey sandwich Part # 933-0000. Unlike their larger turkey sandwich, I can't find a part # for the add on sandwich. Is there one or do you just buy multiples of the same sandwich?
If you do put more than one turkey sandwich together, is there a piece of HO scale bread where they join together, or can they be joined with no bread and just turkey so it is all meat inside?
As always thanks.
I hear Rich likes lot's of mayo on his turkey sandwiches, so use white glue.
Ed:
Tom makes a good point about modelling the interior brick walls as true firewalls with all the openings closed off.
Keep in mind that the track spacing will be thrown off a bit by butting two kits together so you will need a turntable that can be adjusted to line up with each track. In other words turntables like the Atlas model won't work.
Dave
I'm just a dude with a bad back having a lot of fun with model trains, and finally building a layout!
Darn Wayne:
Now you made me hungry!
If you use those extra walls as interior firewalls, the windows ought to be sealed up and any doors replaced with steel fireproof doors. Otherwise it's not fireproof.
Tom
richhotrainThe only thing about this thread that offends me is that taunting photo of Bertram's posted by Wayne. That is like posting a photo of Thanksgiving dinner for viewing by a starving child.
As I type this, Rich, I'm constructing a scratchbuilt turkey sandwich, and will get it down to the Post Office first thing tomorrow morning. I'm pretty sure I have your address here somewhere......
It would be nice if Walthers also sold add-on stalls for their loco shop (933-2970).
Just be glad you don't have to press "2" for English.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ_ALEdDUB8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hqFS1GZL4s
http://s73.photobucket.com/user/steemtrayn/media/MovingcoalontheDCM.mp4.html?sort=3&o=27
Note two types of construction in this roundhouse
G Paine richhotrain Jimmy_Braum Well, you can combine the smaller roundhouse with the modern one, but it requires some serious kitbashing. Rich It would give 3 stall lengths 14", 17-3/4" and 20-1/8"; maybe thinking of an older, smaller roundhouse that was added on to when new larger locomotives were purchased by the railroad.
richhotrain Jimmy_Braum Well, you can combine the smaller roundhouse with the modern one, but it requires some serious kitbashing. Rich
Jimmy_Braum Well, you can combine the smaller roundhouse with the modern one, but it requires some serious kitbashing.
Well, you can combine the smaller roundhouse with the modern one, but it requires some serious kitbashing.
It would give 3 stall lengths 14", 17-3/4" and 20-1/8"; maybe thinking of an older, smaller roundhouse that was added on to when new larger locomotives were purchased by the railroad.
To back up what Jimmy is doing for his project I'm aware of quite a few roundhouse structures that were added on to over the years.
Case-in-point: Collinwood on the New York Central's NY-Chicago main about eight miles east of Cleveland, Ohio.
You can see the architecture of about six different designs here. I wonder why there were so many roof stacks (the silver ones) over the stalls at the far left of the photos. And you can see that some of the original side walls were retained (firewalls and structural support) so in a modeling situation you could really just butt one kit up against another and not have much to worry about as far as major kitbashing.
Always something interesting to see in aeroplane photographs!
Ed
hon30critter Rich: Surely you must be jesting! "...spare yourself the serious kitbashing...". Serious kitbashing is a lot of fun. To not bother with the kitbash would be to deprive oneself of some 'serious' entertainment! (Just joking - no offense intended). Dave
Rich:
Surely you must be jesting! "...spare yourself the serious kitbashing...". Serious kitbashing is a lot of fun. To not bother with the kitbash would be to deprive oneself of some 'serious' entertainment! (Just joking - no offense intended).
richhotrain BATMAN I have very generous friends and family when it comes to train shopping. Recently I helped out friends of ours with something and instead of the usual bottle of rum or case of beer, they went to PWRS and got me another Rapido passenger car. Which went over just fine with me. Wow, thanks Brent for posting that. With that in mind, wouldn't it be appropriate for Wayne to gift Bertram's to me? Rich
BATMAN I have very generous friends and family when it comes to train shopping. Recently I helped out friends of ours with something and instead of the usual bottle of rum or case of beer, they went to PWRS and got me another Rapido passenger car. Which went over just fine with me.
I have very generous friends and family when it comes to train shopping. Recently I helped out friends of ours with something and instead of the usual bottle of rum or case of beer, they went to PWRS and got me another Rapido passenger car. Which went over just fine with me.
Wow, thanks Brent for posting that. With that in mind, wouldn't it be appropriate for Wayne to gift Bertram's to me?
Without question Rich. By the way, I could hear you licking your lips and sighing all the way out here on the West Coast. I have some mighty fine snifters I can bring along if I am invited. I hope Wayne springs for the large bottle. Though that may required the large can of "Raid Moth Killer" for when he finally opens his wallet.
Jimmy:
That's a nice project you have going there. I think the combination of the two sizes of stalls adds a lot of 'flavour' to the structure as well as, I assume, being prototypical.
I love large roundhouses! I can only fit a three stall unit in my layout plan. It will have to do.
Thanks for all your help guy's.
Frank thanks for the offer, however the roundhouse and add-ons were on my Christmas list and there was some confusion as to what to buy. It turned out that all had been set straight at the store and I will be getting two for Christmas. I think I will only have room for six stalls, but if I can squeeze in nine, you will be the first guy I call. That is a very generous offer, thanks.
Jimmy I like the kitbash. I have seen photo's of roundhouse's that have been expanded in similar fashion as larger Loco's came online.
If I end up with a couple of extra walls, there is a spot on the layout where a nice little two holer engine shed would be perfect. I should be able to use them in a kitbash there.
I must give PWRS much credit for helping all the people that go in there looking for things to buy me as gifts. I have very generous friends and family when it comes to train shopping. Recently I helped out friends of ours with something and instead of the usual bottle of rum or case of beer, they went to PWRS and got me another Rapido passenger car. Which went over just fine with me.
Thanks again guy's.
richhotrain Wayne, how can one man be so cruel?
Wayne, how can one man be so cruel?
I was trying to be as kind as possible, Rich. That's why I cropped-out all but the sign from the original photo.
If I ever get around to re-writing my will, I'll try to keep you in mind, Rich, although I guess that might put my well-being directly in jeopardy.
doctorwayne richhotrain ...That's not to my point. If you want 6-stalls, just use the modern roundhouse kits or just use the 933-3041 kits, and spare yourself the "serious kitbashing". Not everybody wants to be spared from "serious kitbashing", Rich. You know what can come of it, eh? Wayne
richhotrain ...That's not to my point. If you want 6-stalls, just use the modern roundhouse kits or just use the 933-3041 kits, and spare yourself the "serious kitbashing".
Not everybody wants to be spared from "serious kitbashing", Rich. You know what can come of it, eh?
richhotrain...That's not to my point. If you want 6-stalls, just use the modern roundhouse kits or just use the 933-3041 kits, and spare yourself the "serious kitbashing".
The roundhouse in question had two different building styles. The one section was built in the early 1900s, and was shorter. The second section was added on later, and built for the longer locomotives
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Well, you can combine the smaller roundhouse with the modern one, but it requires some serious kitbashing. This isisa model of the PRR roundhouse at Shire Oaks yard I am in the process of building for my club. It will still need 3 more stalls.
Brent, just to clarify those various Walthers roundhouse kits, the one you are asking about (933-3041) is a stand alone kits with its own set of walls. You can buy multiple kits and add them together by using only one set of exterior side walls.
Then there is the larger roundhouse kit (933-2900) which is also a 3-stall kit with its own walls. I have one of those.
The third kit is an add on kit to the 933-2900 roundhouse. The add on kit is 933-2901 and does not come with side exterior walls. You simply join it to the 933-2900 kit and use the exterior side walls from the 933-2900 kit. I have two of the add on kits and the result is a 9-stall roundhouse.
The 933-3041 kit is not compatible with the 933-2900 and the 933-2901 kits.
Hope that helps.
gmpullmangmpullman wrote the following post 2 hours ago: Hi, Page three of the instruction sheet, (turn your head 90° left) says that to add on stalls, just buy more of the same kits—
LOL.......I was looking at that page and did not catch that note....I must be slipping.
Brent.....If You want the one I have.....You pay shipping and the kit is FREE, to You......If interested....send Me a PM. Everything is there....never used, only looked at pieces and instructions.
Take Care!
Frank
Hi,
Page three of the instruction sheet, (turn your head 90° left) says that to add on stalls, just buy more of the same kits—
https://www.walthers.com/instructions/0933/09330000003041.pdf
and glue more base plates together.
3. Glue the base plates (1) together. NOTE: You can expand your roundhouse by purchasing more roundhouse kits and simply gluing more base plates together until you reach the size desired.
Pretty much what Wayne suggests. Seems like a waste of wall sections but your scrap bin will fill up with brick sheet and spare windows!
I know when I get the Walthers background buildings there are lots of left over parts. Sometimes it costs a manufacturer more to inventory another product than to simply offer the same kit and deal with the duplication of some parts.
Good Luck, Ed