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Posted by GP-9_Man11786 on Sunday, September 27, 2015 3:49 PM

Let's see, if I couldn't model the Pennsy, or anywhere else in North America, my next choice would be post-grouping pre-nationalization England. Either the LNER or the Great Western. I admit I've always had a soft spot for British steam with their colorful uncluttered and clean boilers and all around ellegent looks.

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Posted by peahrens on Sunday, September 27, 2015 12:10 PM

We're vacationing and a few days ago made a day trip to York England and discovered the Britain Natl Train Museum. Pressed by the remaining time on the prepaid meter we breezed through in 20 minutes. It was teriffic, loaded with vintage trains, mostly steamers and their passenger cars. I took in each loco briefly. I don't think one could enter the luxurious cars but could see within.

Then, taking a train to London, the Manchester newsstand had 13 different rail magazines, mostly about prototypes but one nice one on modelling.  Mostly OO, O and some N. Lots of neat stuff available which got my interest up before seeing this post. Maybe someday.

While here, watched a teriffic tv show on the history of the diesel combustion engine, from early development to the monsters powering the mega container ships.

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Posted by BATMAN on Sunday, September 27, 2015 11:31 AM

That would be one memorable stop on a layout tour.Laugh

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, September 27, 2015 11:21 AM

BATMAN

  

richhotrain
I have decided to model Fiji and its railway system in my bathtub layout.

I can give no such assurance.  That is the very essence of a bathtub layout, sitting submerged so that you are at eye level with your floating layout.
 
Of course, there are some hazards associated with a bathtub layout, the most prominent of which is electrocution, but my wet suit protects me from that possibility, at least so far. 
 
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Posted by BATMAN on Sunday, September 27, 2015 9:59 AM

 

 
richhotrain
I have decided to model Fiji and its railway system in my bathtub layout.

 

Thumbs Up Paradise Drinks Paradise Beer Cool

 

Rich, that is a very cool and novel idea, Please assure us that if MRR ever does a photo spread of said layout or we ever come to visit in person, you promise not to be in the tub running said layout.Pirate

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Posted by "JaBear" on Sunday, September 27, 2015 5:53 AM

richhotrain
I have decided to model Fiji and its railway system in my bathtub layout.

Thumbs Up Paradise Drinks Paradise Beer Cool

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, September 27, 2015 5:30 AM

JaBear, good news.

I have decided to model Fiji and its railway system in my bathtub layout.  

Paradise

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Posted by "JaBear" on Saturday, September 26, 2015 11:37 PM

Off TopicOff Topic

That’s not a very good depiction of railways in Fiji, Rich. The railway from Nadi to the sugar mill at Lautoka basically followed Queens Road except when to avoid the grade it meandered around the coast.
To be fair, since I became persona non grata and haven’t been back, I’m not up with the play. There has been the 2006 coup and I gather that since 2009, the European Union has been withholding the US$50 million a year sugar subsidy, which would have hurt the local farmers. What the current state of the railway is now I don’t know but I see on the Fiji Sugar Corp site that the farmers had a record payout, 2014, and that there is a photo of a cane train on the weighbridge at one of the mills.
I should point out that top speed appeared to be about the same as a brisk walk, and walking along the line and seeing the general disrepair back then it was understandable.
Cheers, the Bear.

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Posted by dknelson on Saturday, September 26, 2015 9:50 AM

And now I will totally highjack the thread by recommending a wonderful book "Shipwreck" text by John Fowles (the novelist) and photography by the Gibsons of Scilly.  The Isles of Scilly are some of the most treacherous for ships and the Gibsons photographed some spectacular wrecks and abandoned ships.  It is a 1975 book but well worth seaking out for those with a taste for shipping in the days of sail and dramatic photography.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 26, 2015 7:36 AM

richhotrain
Truth be told, I live on the Isles of Scilly.

Scilly, Sicily or just Silly?

 

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, September 26, 2015 6:18 AM

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Posted by "JaBear" on Saturday, September 26, 2015 6:06 AM

richhotrain
I live on the Isles of Scilly

You know I am very tempted to say, "how appropriate", but will desist.Angel Laugh

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, September 26, 2015 6:01 AM

Critics.

All critics.

Truth be told, I live on the Isles of Scilly.  Dead

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Posted by "JaBear" on Saturday, September 26, 2015 5:56 AM

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Now how about Tahiti?????

Yeah Brent, I knew I’d be caught out with some of the smaller Pacific Island nations, though playing fast and loose with the railway/railroad definition, I’d be prepared to argue the point that two rails laid on a wharf/pier and running, perhaps a 100 yards, to a warehouse (especially in the 1880s to 1920s era) would fit the bill. I did find this picture but really........Laugh
 
I’d be extremely foolish to question and even discount Dave Nelsons recollections and reasoning as to why his involvement in model railroading, but, and this is only one example, I’d have to ask why do people with no apparent attachment to the sea, model historic sailing ships?
Personally, and this is a very shallow answer,  I think there is a desire amongst some not only to escape, temporarily, their everyday lives and responsibilities, but also try something completely different.
 
I know that no one likes a Smart Alec but I hate to say, (or do I??Devil) both the Vatican and Monaco have rail transport, so I’ll not be visiting you on your luxury yacht berthed in Monaco Harbour Rich, for fear of being keelhauled.
Cheers, the Bear.Smile

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 26, 2015 5:46 AM

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I live in Vatican City, and there are no railroads to model.

Rich - I am sorry, but I stand to correct you!

Vatican City has a reasonably well developed transport network considering its size (consisting mostly of a piazza and walkways). As a state that is 1.05 kilometres (0.6 mi) long and 0.85 kilometres (0.5 mi) wide, it has a small transportation system with no airports or highways. The only aviation facility in Vatican City is the Vatican City Heliport. There is a standard gauge railway connected to Italy's network at Rome's Saint Peter's station by an 852-metre-long (932 yd) spur, 300 metres (330 yd) of which is within Vatican territory.

Pope John XXIII was the first Pope to make use of this railway. Pope John Paul II rarely used it. The railway is mainly used to transport freight.

Train service is rendered by Trenitalia.

 

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, September 26, 2015 5:10 AM

BATMAN

Now let's not make this too easy. If Canada had no railroads, I would most likely model a U.S. railroad. But that is way too easy. So let's make it that it has to be a different part of the planet. Pick a different region and maybe a country in that region and tell us why.

I live in Vatican City, and there are no railroads to model.  Crying

Shall I move to Monaco where I spent my youth?  Confused

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Friday, September 25, 2015 7:21 PM

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Sheldon, I see where you are coming from. I model the CPR because of my interest in the history of it long before my time. While I would still model something if the CPR did not exist, the interest would be at a much lower level.

Bear, thanks for answering my question on Fiji. At the top of the thread when you mention that there are probably very few countries without a RR of some sort Fiji came to mind, as I didn't remember seeing one when I was there. Now how about Tahiti????? I was too busy looking at the beautiful woman to notice much else. Those outer islands are the most beautiful place on earth, and the scenery is not bad either.Paradise

 

Brent,

A few additional thoughts:

First, the premise of your question is very interesting, even if my response is outside the "normal" relm of the question - maybe that is what makes it such a good question?

For me, starting in the hobby at a young age, and having very good mentors in the hobby at a young age, I possibly developed a more unique perspective, also possibly influenced by working in the hobby shop at a young age as well. I was selling trains to adult modelers at age 14.......and running a train department in one at 22. 

I don't see my perspective as special, or better, or more insightful - just different from most, as evidenced by some of my interactions over the years on this forum.....

I figured out years ago that I would never have the time and money to build/run/have every train that caught my eye - so I decided to examine what I really found most interesting and to zero in on that.

I have taken that approach with a number of things in life - it has served me well - well rounded is over rated......

Sheldon 

    

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Posted by BATMAN on Friday, September 25, 2015 7:15 PM

Crandell, I think I read the grade was 5%. I am thinking of a cartoon I once saw where the grade was so steep they threw out an anchor from the back of the train.Laugh

You must have been pretty young at the time. You didn't have the old Browny camera with you, did you? Pic's would have been fun.

Our friends just returned from their third visit down the West coast of South America. I have made the East coast myself, but from what I hear the Pacific side is a much more pleasent place to visit. I don't think I will make it at this stage of my life. Though my 40 year old back pack is still in my closet.Laugh 

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Posted by selector on Friday, September 25, 2015 6:29 PM

  Brent, that is a very good video you found of the Central Andino.  You couldn't have missed how steep the grades are when it shows the first switchback about seven or eight minutes in.  Nothing moves quickly except maybe downhill.

We only took the train maybe twice in the nine years we were there, but I do recall Matucana, Chosica, and Ticlio.  The Junin pampa (prounounced who-NEEN) between La Oroya and Cerro de Pasco was a long flat stretch where the Consolidations' rods flew.  I recall getting cinders in my eyes if I dared take a look.

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Posted by BATMAN on Friday, September 25, 2015 5:40 PM

Sheldon, I see where you are coming from. I model the CPR because of my interest in the history of it long before my time. While I would still model something if the CPR did not exist, the interest would be at a much lower level.

Bear, thanks for answering my question on Fiji. At the top of the thread when you mention that there are probably very few countries without a RR of some sort Fiji came to mind, as I didn't remember seeing one when I was there. Now how about Tahiti????? I was too busy looking at the beautiful woman to notice much else. Those outer islands are the most beautiful place on earth, and the scenery is not bad either.Paradise

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Posted by "JaBear" on Friday, September 25, 2015 4:41 PM

richhotrain
You're getting on my nerves, JB.

AArrrghhh, me cunning plan, it works!!!! MischiefStick out tonguePirate

richhotrain
 It is Fiji, not Fuji.

In that case then perhaps this...
 
....2 foot gauge diesel, Vuda Point, Fiji, early 2000s.
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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Friday, September 25, 2015 4:32 PM

While I do find any kind of railroading interesting to some degree, I must admit I would have a hard time getting interested in modeling a different region of the US, let alone another country.

I've never owned a model loco that said "Union Pacific" or "Santa Fe"..........

My modeling focus is very narrow, and based on a clearly defined set of goals - short of that, I might not even be in this hobby. Interestingly, while my goals are narrowly focused, they are not obsessively "strict" regarding prototype accuracy. At one time they were - but it proved to be "not fun".

I don't think modeling some other place would be fun for me.......

As to Rich's question, surely the answer is "none of the above", or, "best at what?".

Sheldon

PS - while I do model a "place" that I am very familiar with, I model a time before I was even born - and maybe that is an important factor for me - asking the question, "what was this place like before my time?".

 

    

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Posted by BATMAN on Friday, September 25, 2015 4:07 PM

richhotrain
Tibet Smile, Wink & Grin

Then it would be the wireless DCC system with the Highest frequency.Pirate

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, September 25, 2015 3:55 PM

You're getting on my nerves, JB.  It is Fiji, not Fuji.Super Angry

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Posted by "JaBear" on Friday, September 25, 2015 3:47 PM
OK, which is better, DC or DCC?  Laugh Rich.
Oh dear me, Mr Hotrain, you disappoint me so. Here I thought you were going to wax lyrical on your alternative, something like this Japanese Government RailwaysC53 streamliner whisking a consist of Fuji War Bonds off to eager buyers.
(Photo courtesy of Wikipedia Commons)
Cheers, the saddened DCC Bear.Sad 

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, September 25, 2015 3:43 PM

BATMAN

It all depends on which region of the world you are modeling.Stick out tongueLaugh

 

Tibet   Smile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by BATMAN on Friday, September 25, 2015 3:10 PM

It all depends on which region of the world you are modeling.Stick out tongueLaugh

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, September 25, 2015 2:54 PM

BATMAN

Guy's, I am never bothered when a thread of mine strays from the original topic, I figure a thread like this is just like a conversation and whatever direction it takes is fine with me.

 

OK, which is better, DC or DCC?   Laugh
 
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Posted by mlehman on Friday, September 25, 2015 2:02 PM

Yowza, good one, Brent.

Lots of fresh air on the Devil's Nose, tooSmile, Wink & Grin

 

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