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Posted by dstarr on Thursday, August 27, 2015 1:21 PM

A couple of coats of rattle can dark gray auto primer makes a good looking canvas covered roof.  The primer dries dead flat which looks like tarred canvas in HO.

 

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Posted by jjdamnit on Thursday, August 27, 2015 10:59 AM

Hello All,

On the NMRA website there is an article talking about the use of teabags for scale tarps.

Here's the link: http://www.nmra.org/sites/default/files/sr201404_tea_bag.pdf

You could make larger tarps by gluing several teabags together.

Hope this helps.

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Posted by hon30critter on Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:58 AM

Hi again Otto:

No need to be sorry - scale is really just a minor detail.

It sounds to me like you want to see some texture on the roof. In fact, in HO scale, the fabric pattern would not be visible. After all it is hardly visible in 1:1 scale at any distance, but that doesn't mean you can't texture your surfaces. I firmly believe that a bit of texture adds greatly to the appearance of HO models even if it is out of scale. In other words, modeling a bunch of smooth surfaces just because the texture wouldn't show in HO is BORING!

So, I would follow the suggestions already offered to use silk or model airplane tissue to get the result you want. And please show us your results!

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Posted by Mr. Dispatcher on Wednesday, August 26, 2015 6:28 PM

I'm sorry it is in HO.

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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, August 26, 2015 5:34 PM

Monokote - still available also. http://www.monokote.com/

Hmm, there may be some model railroad uses for this stuff too...

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Posted by BATMAN on Wednesday, August 26, 2015 5:23 PM

farrellaa
I thought it was called silkspan.

That's it!

Things like monocot (SP?) and other plastic covering material came along that we would shrink with a heat gun. But Silkspan sure made an old prototype models look real. I think it is something that could be put to good use in some of our applications.

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Posted by farrellaa on Wednesday, August 26, 2015 2:35 PM

rrinker
I sort of recall that there were two kinds of dope, regular and fuel proof -regular being fine for a static model or rubber band powered one, but if you had one that had a motor you needed the fuel proof type so the nitro and castor oil wouldn;t eat through it

How true Randy, I learned the hard way. It would disolve the paint/dope if is wasn't fuelproof. I finally used clear fuel proof dope to cover my model after repainting it!

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Posted by farrellaa on Wednesday, August 26, 2015 2:29 PM

BATMAN
Now if only I can remember what it was called.

I still have a small sheet of it (40+years old now!) and I thought it was called silkspan. I  even have the old planes hanging in my train room! (see photo, upper left)

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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, August 26, 2015 1:39 PM

 It was called just that - Tissue. Still available, people still build models like that. When sealed with dope, it replicates early fabric covered aircraft both is looks and it also works an an aerodynamic surface for an actual flying model. I sort of recall that there were two kinds of dope, regular and fuel proof -regular being fine for a static model or rubber band powered one, but if you had one that had a motor you needed the fuel proof type so the nitro and castor oil wouldn;t eat through it

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Posted by BATMAN on Wednesday, August 26, 2015 12:33 PM

Way back in another lifetime, we used a heavy tissue on our R/C airplanes. It was/is available in many thicknesses. I think it would give you just the look you are looking for. It is very strong and does not come apart when wet. In fact we would paint the stuff with fuel proof dope and that would seat it nicely over whatever it was going on, like the ribs of a wing. Now if only I can remember what it was called.Tongue Tied

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Posted by ndbprr on Wednesday, August 26, 2015 9:56 AM
I used a piece of a bed sheet on an O gauge trolley. I pulled it tight and put liquid cement on it. When it dried I trimmed the edges and painted it. Something like a piece of silk or some other fine threaded material should work for HO.
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Posted by ACY Tom on Wednesday, August 26, 2015 8:41 AM

I have used toilet paper or cleansing tissue ("Kleenex") with good results.  It's not as thick as paper towels.  The better brands have a discernible weave, which may be visible on the model, but would not be visible on a prototype roof when viewed from a comparable distance.  The cheaper stuff doesn't show this fine weave, so I use that.   Way back in the Dark Ages, I started using this method using 410-M paints, which haven't been available for 40 or 50 years.  Then I switched to Floquil.

I brush black paint (or Grimy Black, or whatever seems appropriate)  on the roof.  Not too thin.  Then press an oversized piece of T.P. into the paint, letting the paint seep through.  Hold it there for a few minutes.  Press it down firmly to get as much paint into the T.P. as possible.  It will start to set up pretty quickly and you can set it aside for a few minutes.  Before it sets up completely, apply a bit more paint on top to cover any places where the paint hasn't seeped into the T.P. from the roof surface.  Smooth it down.  Set it aside to cure.  Then trim any overhanging edges with an X-Acto.

Works for me, but I always end up with paint on my fingers because I've never found a better tool for this purpose than good ol' reliable digits.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Wednesday, August 26, 2015 3:42 AM

I’ve used kitchen paper towels for building awnings and a tent, their coarse texture looks like canvas material.  I used some Woodland Scenics  Earth turf with very thin white (8:1) glue for color to resemble a tent.
 
 
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Posted by hon30critter on Wednesday, August 26, 2015 3:04 AM

Hi Otto:

What scale?

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material for open observation car roof ?
Posted by Mr. Dispatcher on Wednesday, August 26, 2015 2:18 AM

Hello all , I plan on building an open air observation car and was wandering what kind of material to use to represent a canvas type material for the roof?.I've thought about tissue paper but I would like something a little thicker (I know that painting white glue on the tissue paper makes it stiff,but would like to have the texture or look of canvas).I have even thought about using an old type passenger car roof ( how do you think that will look?). any other suggestions will be helpful. Thanks Otto 

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