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Best/Cheapest way to make or Buy Windows?

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Posted by Magnum019 on Sunday, August 23, 2015 12:56 AM

Since it's a modern building, and your window frames are likely to be metal and recessed, I'd draw the window frames as simple black lines on my computer. After test-fitting with paper printouts and adjusting spacing, take your file to a Kinko's or Office Max and have it printed on an acetate transparency, then glue that to the back of your wall.

 

I never thought of acetate transparency and going to look into that as well.  The building that I'm trying to do would be a reddish/brown brick look.....without the brickwork,  unless I could get those molded on somehow but trying one thing at a time for now. Smile   I plan on these as backdrops and the area they are going into is 14"-16" deep.

 

 

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Posted by Magnum019 on Saturday, August 22, 2015 6:16 PM

Thanks for All the Replies again, I did purchase some from Grandt Line and hopefully here in a week or so......and try to make duplciates for the windows.  Here's an Updated Picture.  These windows of course are Not Glued in.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by E-L man tom on Thursday, August 20, 2015 9:55 AM

What I have done in the past is take several Grandt Line, Tichy, or any other commercial window castings and make a copy of them, or as many copies of them as you need. This way you may cut out just the frames, if thats all you need, or just the mullions, or make copies of the style of window with no mullions, just frames. glue the copied castings to the inside of your structure walls. This works especially well on building flats or background buildings, where a window glazing would not really be necessary.  The recessed window also provides some "texture" to that building front as well. 

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Posted by Steven Otte on Thursday, August 20, 2015 9:02 AM

Since it's a modern building, and your window frames are likely to be metal and recessed, I'd draw the window frames as simple black lines on my computer. After test-fitting with paper printouts and adjusting spacing, take your file to a Kinko's or Office Max and have it printed on an acetate transparency, then glue that to the back of your wall.

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Posted by delray1967 on Thursday, August 20, 2015 2:34 AM

You're off to a good start! Building them from scratch isn't too bad, I just bought some mold making stuff and now I want to buy more.lol If you're just going to build another 20 or so windows, casting might be just as tricky/time consuming as building them as you will have to clean up the castings to get them to fit.

Stick with the scratchbuilding, you will get better/faster with time and practice. Having the right tools we help too (like the NWSL Chopper), or something to make lots of parts the same length, and possible some kind of assembly jig to keep everything aligned. Looks like your windows will be fine with a little bit of filler putty or slight filing to make everything fit better. Paint will make it all look better too.

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Posted by Magnum019 on Sunday, August 16, 2015 6:47 PM

UPDATE:  Tried making some windows (not glued in) but as you can see, it's hard to get perfect, but I think I'll continue to make windows and take the best and make molds from..(the one on Top left was with Balsa and the others were with Styrene....Not sure what will work the best?

Also, put a little trim on top.

 

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Posted by Magnum019 on Saturday, August 15, 2015 10:55 AM

Thankyou For ALL the Replies, I do want to have some kind of a Frame and Bottom Lip so it will look more appealing close up.  (also should get that Free Windows 10....lol)  I like the idea of making molds but unsure how to pour the Molds.  I'm assuming I should make a Template or Jig for 10-30 initially and could pour molds from this?  I know Youtube should have lots of Videos of this unless anyone knows a good way how to do this, I would be forever Grateful and always am with you guys.

 

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Posted by delray1967 on Saturday, August 15, 2015 9:35 AM

I find it helpful to have a photograph of the actual building, or one similar to it, while working on a kit.

If you want cheap windows, scratchbuild them from Evergreen styrene strips. You can make one window then make a mold of it and pour all the rest if you don't want to build all of them individually (but building windows is fairly easy...albeit a bit slow). You'll get exactly the style of window you're looking for.

If you can afford it, and want to go fast, buy windows from any number of manufacturers (just search for 'HO scale windows').  I have used metal framed windows from Rusty Stumps; they are laser cut from resin board and have fine detail...there are many other mfg's out there. If you can't find exactly the right size for the openings, you may have to slightly modify the window or opening a bit (I had to cut the Rusty Stumps down by one row of panes to match the prototype building I made).

I'd suggest painting the windows be for installing them in the painted structure, if they will be different colors.

If you don't want to do the work yourself, work out a trade with someone else and let them do it for you while you do something for them.

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Posted by cedarwoodron on Saturday, August 15, 2015 7:11 AM
  • In a commercial structure, such as you show, frames are more often installed as "surrounds" which line the interior sides of window openings. In older designs, there might be a projecting bottom ledge, along the lower portion of the opening. I would use styrene strip material to line the opening, then a thicker (or built-up piece) bottom ledge piece. Check Evergreen or Plastruct strip styrene for appropriate sizes (the thickness of the window opening side edge) as per your modeling scale. It is relatively easy to cut batches of them in both dimensions (height and width) with the proper lengths, using a miter box with a marked "cut line"- or a straight gem blade. To make bottom lintels, glue two strip together, then let dry and cut to an appropriate length. In older buildings, the frames would have a dark wood color, and the lintels might be the same color as the building or painted in a contrasting color as a visual highlight. By the 1950s, aluminum would be a better color, to represent metal frames. Anodized colored metal (bronze, white, etc.) began to appear in the mid 1960s, to supplement "natural-colored" aluminum framing. To achieve a two part (openable) older style window, just run a horizontal strip (thin edge facing out) at the opening midpoint. Buildings with A/C would more likely have one piece sealed windows with no dividing "sash".

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Saturday, August 15, 2015 6:57 AM

Magnum019

Sorry I should Correct myself.  I meant window Frames at .25 x .685 I have a clear window that I will attatch to the back and looking for Frames to go in the Windows.  I know Tichy and Grandt have the Products, just looking to cut costs and wish I had a Lazer Printer!  Sigh

Here's a Pic    

 

That is a masonry building, so there is no framework on the outside surface as yo wood find on a would building. Ergo, you paint the inside surface of the styrine the color of your choice, paint styrine or wood dimensional pieces to serve as your mullion, and from any distance at all it will look purrfect.

If this is to be an up-front signature peice, you will need more depth to your window openings, to do this lay your building fron on a peice of cardboard, such as you already have in your hand, cut the openings in it perhaps just a bit smaller, marking the cardboard with a pencil will do this doe you, paint the cardboard and then attach it to your fascia and you have instant framework. add your mullions and you got a master oeice.

Of course, if you want FREE Windows, Microsoft is giving away Windows 10 for free, but as often as that thing calls home to mama they can mine tons of data from you same as your tablet or cell phone. When you live in a connected world privacy is a thinf od the past. It is your choice to stand on the roof and tell the world your bsiness.

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Posted by stebbycentral on Saturday, August 15, 2015 6:04 AM

Draw them on.  Many, many years ago when I was a poor college student I simply used a drafting pen and drew the frames and mullions on the acetate.  Insert them in the openings and it will look fine from a distance. 

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Posted by ndbprr on Saturday, August 15, 2015 5:35 AM
Years ago there was an article in MR by I believe Lionel Strang about how he did this very thing. It was probably early 80s. He had an O gauge city scene and needed lots of big buildings. Could be wrong on the name but it is fairly close I think.
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Posted by Dannyboy6 on Friday, August 14, 2015 11:11 PM

I use clear report covers from old work docs that are being recycled. Have fun!

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Posted by Magnum019 on Friday, August 14, 2015 10:37 PM

Sorry I should Correct myself.  I meant window Frames at .25 x .685 I have a clear window that I will attatch to the back and looking for Frames to go in the Windows.  I know Tichy and Grandt have the Products, just looking to cut costs and wish I had a Lazer Printer!  Sigh

Here's a Pic    

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Posted by peahrens on Friday, August 14, 2015 10:20 PM

Are you asking about window frames or the glazing?

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Posted by ALEX WARSHAL on Friday, August 14, 2015 10:12 PM
Clear Acetate, Duralar, Etc. could all work. If you can post a picture of the building (outside and inside) I could probably help more. -Alex Warshal

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Best/Cheapest way to make or Buy Windows?
Posted by Magnum019 on Friday, August 14, 2015 9:58 PM

I am in the process of building some 5 Story Apartment Buildings with 30 windows in each that I had a friend use a CNC for these.  If I buy the windows for these; the cost for these will run of course.......anyone know where to get windows or an easy way to make these without taking too much time?.....Total windows would be about 150 for 5 buildings.  Dimensions for most are .25 x .685.

 

Thanks again,

 

Cary 

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