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Walthers passenger cars: Cars you would like?

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Walthers passenger cars: Cars you would like?
Posted by caboose63 on Friday, June 26, 2015 3:39 PM

With Walthers doing a nice job of coming out with more RTR passenger cars, especially the mainline series of 85' passenger cars, are there any passenger cars/types you would like to see walthers come out with that have not been made before or not in decades? I would love to Walthers come out with a Delaware, Lackawanna & Western Boonton coach and Stillwell coach and combine. I know Funaro & Camerlengo have the stillwell cars, but a bit pricey. Would be cool if walthers came out with Boonton coach in their mainline series.

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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Friday, June 26, 2015 3:47 PM

Ironically, for ACL, SAL, SCL, and early Amtrak modelers there is a car that Walthers could produce from current tooling that requires minor modifications.

Walthers produces the Budd Baggage Lounge: 

https://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/910-30050.

Here is the version needed if one were to model ACL, SCL, or early Amtrak's CHAMPION:

http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1968278

For the ACL, SCL, and early AMTK versions the window arrangement would need to be modified, and a vestibule would be needed.

 

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Posted by rustycouplers on Friday, June 26, 2015 3:51 PM

Cheaper cars,40 bucks for one is a little steep.

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Posted by angelob6660 on Friday, June 26, 2015 5:49 PM

ATSF or UP 11 Double bedroom sleeper and CBQ 5-6 sleeper in N Scale for Amtrak Rainbow Era.

I could add more different types of passenger cars, but to much to name.

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Posted by G Paine on Friday, June 26, 2015 6:08 PM

INTERIORS

for most common types of passengers cars. Wlthers has them installed in their existing products; all they need to do is design some packaging and order an additional run of these parts. Since the original IHC went bust, finishing a car without in interior has become difficult and expensive.

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Posted by 7j43k on Friday, June 26, 2015 6:13 PM

Why, yes!

 

I'd like to see SP&S 31, 75, 405, and 600/601.

 

And some NP North Coast Limited coaches and sleepers.

 

 

 

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Posted by TheWizard on Friday, June 26, 2015 6:15 PM

G Paine

INTERIORS

for most common types of passengers cars. Wlthers has them installed in their existing products; all they need to do is design some packaging and order an additional run of these parts. Since the original IHC went bust, finishing a car without in interior has become difficult and expensive.

 

I would pay $50 for a 10 pack of generic plastic molded interiors. That's $5/car for me, and walthers gets $50 towards the cost of a single mold.

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Posted by NittanyLion on Friday, June 26, 2015 6:26 PM

Considering they've been plying the rails for almost 25 years with no end in sight, I wish the Viewliners got the same availability as the Superliners.

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Posted by Burlington Northern #24 on Friday, June 26, 2015 6:43 PM
I second what Ed said, I could use more SP&S coaches in N scale. I have almost half the LW cars, need the other lounge, the remaining coaches(If I don't already have them), the LW diner, and two baggage coaches. Then there's the Budds which are a new set of challenges.

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Posted by Bobster on Friday, June 26, 2015 7:46 PM

Greetings,

I'd really love to see that baggage lounge in N scale with Wabash 650 on it.  That HO car looks like Wabash 650 as far as I can tell.  Then I'd need a Wabash 1601 Parlor Observation in N to go with it.

Happy railroading,

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Posted by Rock Island Jim on Friday, June 26, 2015 8:30 PM

Rock Island's Capone commuter car would be great. I'd buy tons. Since they were spread out to dozens of other railroads, tourist lines, etc after the Rock Island's death, they would be very popular. They could also compliment the Walthers Dinner Belle train line. One car.  Infinite possibilities.

I'd also like to see the SP/RI Golden State set. It would have massive appeal to both Southern Pacific and a Rock Island fans. Not to mention that they have already done some of the cars (or nearly done them) and the rest would be easy to make the sides to use on the car core to replicate. 

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Posted by De Luxe on Friday, June 26, 2015 9:00 PM

@ G Paine: I TOTALLY agree with you on the interiors! I cases where the interior cost me more than the interiorless car! What a shame!

@ Rock Island Jim: I agree with you on the RI/SP Golden State! Red and sliver is such a beautiful combination! Love that paint scheme! And they should do all the 3 different observation car types of this train: the blunt ended SP sleepers, the round ended RI sleeper lounge observations and last but not least "La Mirada", RI´s sleeper lounge observation with those higher windows originally built for the Golden Rocket!

For my part I would also like if Walthers would finally add a Baggage Dormitory, Touralux Sleeper, Lake Sleeper and Creek Sleeper Skytop Lounge Observation so that a MILW Olympian Hiawatha can also be modeled.

I would also like if all future cars would be produced with a construction that allows 18 inches as minimum radius!

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Posted by MidlandPacific on Saturday, June 27, 2015 2:32 PM

Nobody, save for MDC, has ever offered RTR models of vestibuled wood equipment, save for brass models that are instantly identifiable as unusual prototypes (think of the PFM Kettle Valley set or the Beaver Creek Yosemite Valley train).  But the fact is that a lot of the mass production wood Pullman cars from the 1900-1910 timeframe are usable in a wide range of settings, without even variations in paint scheme.  They ran on many trains without apology or excuse through the early 1930s, particularly in the West.  Standard designs such as a 12-1 sleeper, 7-2 sleeper, 10-1-2 sleeper, ten section obs, and 28 seat parlor were basically mixed and matched with the coaches, head end cars and power from a railroad to form trains- but regardless of the host railroad, Pullman cars were lettered for Pullman in those days.

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Posted by MidlandPacific on Saturday, June 27, 2015 2:37 PM

I forgot to add that the very first steel Pullmans- those identifiable by the transom windows and narrow fascia board, which distinguish the first six years of steel body production - are also something I would love to see, but I suspect the demand for those is infinitesimally small!

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Posted by Burlington Northern #24 on Saturday, June 27, 2015 4:26 PM
Wood and steel Pullmans would be welcomed by me, especially arch window cars. Good MOW cars for the SP&S.

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Posted by tpatrick on Saturday, June 27, 2015 6:02 PM

In HO, bring back the heavyweight RPO.

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Saturday, June 27, 2015 6:30 PM

How about some MA & PA coaches and baggage/mail cars?

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Posted by MidlandPacific on Saturday, June 27, 2015 8:26 PM

The Westwood set is there for you......and if you hit it right, you can get them for thirty dollars a car on EBay, which is cheaper than a Walthers car would be......

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Posted by fmilhaupt on Sunday, June 28, 2015 9:55 AM

Walthers is already addressing one of my wishes by tooling up an arch roof for its heavyweight baggage car. I'd like to see their Wabash-painted and C&O-painted modernized baggage cars reissued with these roofs, but I'll repaint, if necessary.

There are three other heavyweight cars I'd like to see:

  • A baggage/express-RPO similar to the venerable AHM/Rivarossi one, but with a six-foot door, a 15-foot or a 30-foot RPO section, and modern tooling. This would work for a lot of roads.

  • An arch-roofed baggage/express-RPO with two baggage doors per side and a 30-foot (three-window) RPO section, similar to those used on the C&O and the Wabash.

  • A baggage/express-RPO-coach. I've seen photos of them on the Pennsy and Soo Line, and I think the Northern Pacific had them. This car makes for a very compact all-in-one branchline passenger train. One of my friends' layout has a run that this car would fit perfectly, and I bet that it would work well on quite a few other layouts.

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Posted by bnsffan on Sunday, June 28, 2015 12:16 PM

- Metra bilevels, especially the Q/BN/BNSF Budd cars.

- Improved version of the Amtrak Viewliners.

- Improved version of the commuter / Amtrak Horizon cars.

 

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Posted by Packer on Sunday, June 28, 2015 4:22 PM

I'll add in the ex-"El Capitan" transition car, in amtrak phase 3, maybe the other car that was normally before it too...

bnsffan

- Metra bilevels, especially the Q/BN/BNSF Budd cars

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Posted by KK Bridge on Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:52 PM

 

fmilhaupt
Walthers is already addressing one of my wishes by tooling up an arch roof for its heavyweight baggage car. I'd like to see their Wabash-painted and C&O-painted modernized baggage cars reissued with these roofs, but I'll repaint, if necessary. There are three other heavyweight cars I'd like to see: A baggage/express-RPO similar to the venerable AHM/Rivarossi one, but with a six-foot door, a 15-foot or a 30-foot RPO section, and modern tooling. This would work for a lot of roads. An arch-roofed baggage/express-RPO with two baggage doors per side and a 30-foot (three-window) RPO section, similar to those used on the C&O and the Wabash.
 
I'll second these and add:
 
  • A 60' NYC heavyweight baggage-express car.
  • An 82' heavyweight paired-window diner (as used by Pullman, NP, GN, ACL, and others).
  • A Pullman heavyweight 10-1-1 sleeper.
  • A Pullman heavyweight 10 section observation lounge.
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Posted by crhostler61 on Sunday, June 28, 2015 10:15 PM

I've been looking to put together the Reading push-pull that operated between Pottsville, Reading and Philadelphia Pa till 1981. They were the coaches used on the Wall Street train to north Jersey in earlier times. I would like to see a much more economically priced version than what Bethlehem Car Works has to offer. Just don't have $400+ to lay out for 5 passenger cars. I have the FP7's.

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Posted by gmpullman on Monday, June 29, 2015 2:17 PM

I see a lot of interest in "head-end" equipment and I share that desire, too. The Walthers heavyweight baggage car that has been out of production and several new heavyweight RPO cars would sure be nice.

With the Capitol Limited coming I would also like to see more B&O head-end equipment like the 50' C15 baggage car:

http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-be1557amm.jpg

I would really like to see more of what were called the "betterment" cars. These were modernized heavyweights with air conditioning and wider, sealed windows and sometimes smooth side plates added. An example is the PRR Keystone Banks shown here:

It still retains the Pullman 2411 six wheel trucks but has been modernized and even has roomettes where the open sections once were.

Many railroads that could not afford new equipment, especially sleepers and diners, would rebuild their heavyweight cars into more modern appearing cars at less expense.

PRR had hundreds of cars like these, Erie and Nickel plate had several diners and some coaches rebuilt like this and B&O had a large roster of "betterment" cars.

I would like to see more business cars as well but this can be tough since nearly every one was unique so there would have to be a generic design but we need something besides the fluted Kato offering.

What I would REALLY love to see is a plastic model of U. S. No.1 the Ferdinand Magellan. This car was rebuilt from a Pullman private car in 1942 and armour plated for use by Franklin Roosevelt and was used in subsequent years by other Presedints right up to Reagan.

http://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/presidents/us_car_number_one.html

There was a communications car that usually travelled with the Ferdinand Magellan,

http://whcacannonball.blogspot.com/2014/02/update-presidential-communications-car.html

Walthers could produce a two car set and even include Preiser figures for FDR and some Secret Service personnel. A later version could have Reagan campaigning from the rear platform!

I have watched for the Overland brass version of this car, produced in numbers of 200 or so, and when the bidding got to $1200, I had to back away.

The nice thing about business or private cars like these is that you can run them in special trains or even tack them on to regular freights, even if your railroad doesn't normally have passenger service.

Happy Railroading, Ed

 

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Posted by mobilman44 on Monday, June 29, 2015 2:22 PM

Hi,

Man, I would love to get an HO end of train observation car and an RPO for the LIGHTWEIGHT Illinois Central brown/orange paint scheme to go with the rest of the cars previously issued.

ENJOY  !

 

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Posted by Redvdub1 on Monday, June 29, 2015 2:30 PM

I've always felt there would be a market for passenger cars from the major eastern railroads between 1890-1930..particularly the C&O with the orange bodies and the maroon letter boards.  The C&O has an active historical society as do some other roads...

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Posted by CBT on Monday, June 29, 2015 3:49 PM

I would like some Pere Marquette Cars. Im moddeling some of the PM railroad and it is hard to find the right cars.

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Posted by gmpullman on Monday, June 29, 2015 3:51 PM

CBT

I would like some Pere Marquette Cars. Im moddeling some of the PM railroad and it is hard to find the right cars.

 

In addition to these???

https://www.walthers.com/exec/page/pere_marquette

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Posted by csxns on Monday, June 29, 2015 3:55 PM

Like to have the Clinchfield White Oak observation car.

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Posted by fmilhaupt on Monday, June 29, 2015 4:15 PM

CBT

I would like some Pere Marquette Cars. Im moddeling some of the PM railroad and it is hard to find the right cars.

 

If you're willing/able to put in a bit of work to assemble them, the cars for the 1946 streamliner are available as car sides from Union Station Products in O, S, HO and N scales (They're Pullman plans #7479, 7480, 7481, 7482 and 7483A on the site). And Microscale has usable decals in HO and N, now.

I picked up the USP kit for the PM streamlined baggage/RPOs to use as an accurate RPO with the Walthers HO "Pere Marquette"-series cars. That'll be useful for a post-1951 train. For the streamliner prior to 1951, the USP sides are the only thing currently available.

But yeah, I'd like RTR cars for the PM, too.

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