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TT&TO operations question - Anulling trains

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Posted by dehusman on Monday, March 9, 2015 4:10 PM

cv_acr

You will highly likely find from a detailed look at the timetable that Grand Forks also had a train register, which arriving and departing trains should "sign in" with their times.

I have found that train register stations were not that common, since, to be effective every train passing one had to stop and register (or register by ticket).  Stopping frequently was not looked on favorably.  Dispatchers could issue a Form V train order, a check of trains, or some clearances had provisions for a check of trains.

A departing train would have to be able to confirm that any opposing superior trains have arrived before they can leave, either by verifying that the train has signed in the register.

 

.... or a train order or a clearance with a register check of trains.

 (Note that by rule the register cannot be used to confirm the arrival of an Extra train, as you could conceivably run multiple short-distance extras in a day using the same engine.) 

.... unless the extra train and the train you want to check against the extra have a train order instructing the extra to register on that order, in which case the extra crew when registering will write the train order number on the register line and then the other train can use that as evidence of the exrta's arrival.  Yeah, I know, cumbersome.

 

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Posted by cv_acr on Monday, March 9, 2015 2:41 PM

You will highly likely find from a detailed look at the timetable that Grand Forks also had a train register, which arriving and departing trains should "sign in" with their times.

A departing train would have to be able to confirm that any opposing superior trains have arrived before they can leave, either by verifying that the train has signed in the register. (Note that by rule the register cannot be used to confirm the arrival of an Extra train, as you could conceivably run multiple short-distance extras in a day using the same engine.) 

(implied in fmilhaupt's response where he did make a reference to annulling a schedule at a register station, but fleshed out a little)

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Posted by trainboyH16-44 on Sunday, March 8, 2015 10:09 AM

Thanks, guys, especially fmilhaupt for the detailed explaination.

This explains why trains leaving Grand Forks required a terminal clearance!

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Posted by fmilhaupt on Sunday, March 8, 2015 7:07 AM

The order you are looking for is Form K. To annul the train's entire schedule for a day, the order would look something like:

Train 97 due to leave Anna on March 15 is annulled.

If you will be annulling part of a schedule, most railroads' rules specify that you must annul it at a station that has a register. The order would look something like this:

Train 97 due to leave Anna on March 15 is annulled between Dora and Francis.

...assuming that Dora has a train register.

Some rule books would permit the order to be issued in this form, however:

Train 97 due to leave Anna on March 15 has arrived at Edna and is annulled between Edna and Francis.

...which would permit the schedule to be annulled at a station other than one that has a train register, which we will assume that Edna does not.

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TT&TO operations question - Anulling trains
Posted by trainboyH16-44 on Saturday, March 7, 2015 6:08 PM

I'm working on getting my layout running on TT&TO, and as per prototype, I have several scheduled trains that may not run on any given day. How would this be communicated to other trains?

How about trains that are scheduled through to somewhere but terminate partway? On my prototype during some time periods, the wayfreight would be carded through to Midway, mile 126.6, but would often turn at Grand Forks, mile 98.4, and run back as an extra. Would that be much different?

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