Carl
Very much aware a 440 is a Mopar engine that will pass everything except a gas station. Growing up I had a 69 Charger. Loved that car except the electric system.
8-wheeler is a steam engine, 440 is a Mopar engine.
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yougottawanta Rich - Never came back because the question had in been answered. But to answer your question I was asking about 4-4-0 ( Hope this makes Wayne happy ) Maxman - thanks for the WIKI link. Bear - Yes isnt that strange calling a 4-4-0 an "American" ? Joel - I had never heard a Mikado being called a "MacArthur" thanks for the nugget of info Randy - Well that makes sense - "Dixies". Funny true story. Growing up in Va. my sister married a guy from Mississippi. After he retired from the military service they moved to his home town. The locals there told my sister that they "loved her Yankee accent" we grew up in the "Mosby Confederacy" (he wrecked a lot of the Yankee aggressor 4-4-0s) and she considered herself a good southern gal. Boy was she insulted ! Dave - good point they are 8 wheelers also Ulrich - Yikes!! that 2nd picture they looks like a monster ! Scary ! Wayne - Sometimes when in a hurry I take short cuts. Generally I post during my lunch break ( 30 minutes long ) and as a superintendent all the workers think that I do not eat and thats when they come in to ask questions or get problems solved. I was wondering if the labeling had anything to do with whether the front 4 wheels were fixed or in trucks ? TTYL YGW
Rich - Never came back because the question had in been answered. But to answer your question I was asking about 4-4-0 ( Hope this makes Wayne happy )
Maxman - thanks for the WIKI link.
Bear - Yes isnt that strange calling a 4-4-0 an "American" ?
Joel - I had never heard a Mikado being called a "MacArthur" thanks for the nugget of info
Randy - Well that makes sense - "Dixies". Funny true story. Growing up in Va. my sister married a guy from Mississippi. After he retired from the military service they moved to his home town. The locals there told my sister that they "loved her Yankee accent" we grew up in the "Mosby Confederacy" (he wrecked a lot of the Yankee aggressor 4-4-0s) and she considered herself a good southern gal. Boy was she insulted !
Dave - good point they are 8 wheelers also
Ulrich - Yikes!! that 2nd picture they looks like a monster ! Scary !
Wayne - Sometimes when in a hurry I take short cuts. Generally I post during my lunch break ( 30 minutes long ) and as a superintendent all the workers think that I do not eat and thats when they come in to ask questions or get problems solved.
I was wondering if the labeling had anything to do with whether the front 4 wheels were fixed or in trucks ?
TTYL
YGW
Good to know, now. now someone else may be helped in the future.
Something to remember, many around the world see messages and a reply by the OP can provide closure to the issue to help others.
With the internet, there is a huge community. There are no lone wolves anymore.
Rich
If you ever fall over in public, pick yourself up and say “sorry it’s been a while since I inhabited a body.” And just walk away.
Given the thread title (hyphens must've been in short supply), I thought for sure that cudaken would have had a comment.
Wayne
Interesting. The OP never came back
Besides 4-4-0 = "eight wheeler"...once in a while a 4-6-0 was called a "ten wheeler", and I've seen a 4-8-0 "Mastadon" also called a "twelve wheeler".
Just for those who have never seen, what a Crampton´s Patent Express Engine with a 6-2-0 wheel arrangement looked like:
The Camden & Amboy RR had those in the mid 1850´s, albeit with a cab riding over the huge driver.
FWIW, at least one version of the old "Casey Jones" ballad refers to his engine as a "six-eight wheeler". I've never heard anybody say definitively what that means. Jones died running a 4-6-0, which is normally called a Ten wheeler.
tom
Wheels refer to steam locomotives, axles refer to diesel electric.
For steam locomotives, there are the basic three numbers. The first number is the number of wheels on the leading truck, the second number is the number of drivers (powered wheels), and the last number is the number of wheels on the trailing truck. Now, some railroads felt having one pair of drivers wasn't enough, and wanted more power, and bigger locomotives. So, larger locomotives where produced with two sets of drivers, and they were labeled with four numbers, the middle two numbers being the number of drivers in each set. There are some steam locomotives like shays that aren't numbered by their wheels.
For info on the way diesels are referred too, there's an article on the trains magizine website here.
Steemtrayn: Yes, B-B Diesels (sorry, I learned early, when they were still capitalizing Dr. Diesel's name) are technically 8-wheelers--although I've never heard them referred to as such. Now, "6-wheeler" does bring to mind those little industrial switchers that have been copied in most modeling scales (I have a friend who bought a bunch of the AHM O-scale jobs--to use as trucks under a C-C electric loco).
Deano
Steemtrayn,
At least not officially anyway. I didn't know about the Crampton. That beast from an 1847 drawing was doubly strange. The single driver was under the cab and all 6 leading wheels were under the skinny boiler. I think the next use of the 6 wheel lead truck was on the Pennsy S-1 and S-2 almost 100 years later. Gotta love the creative minds of mechanical engineers back then. How about those Virginian Triplex locomotives? No more room under the boiler? No problem, let's put more drivers under the tender. All for the sake of more tractive effort. Must have been a nightmare to maintain, eh?
Joel
Modeling the C&O New River Subdivision circa 1949 for the fun of it!
The 2-6-0, 0-8-0, 2-4-2, 6-2-0 (Crampton) and GP40 are also 8-wheelers, although I've never heard any of them referred to as such.
Dave
Just be glad you don't have to press "2" for English.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ_ALEdDUB8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hqFS1GZL4s
http://s73.photobucket.com/user/steemtrayn/media/MovingcoalontheDCM.mp4.html?sort=3&o=27
Also the 4-8-4 wheel arrangment, most commonly called "Northern" - but you know no self-respecting Southerner was going to call ANYTHING "Northern" so railroads using them in the South often called them "Dixies"
"8 Wheeler" carried over to the 4-6-0, called "Ten Wheelers". For a time, there were more 4-4-0's in the US than any other design, which is what let to the "American Standard" name, usually shortened to "American". In the early days of railroading, there was a lot of experimenting going on to figure out what worked best, especially on the sub-par track of the time. Various wheel arrangments were tried and abandonded, some of which came back a century later as technology advanced and improvements in wheels, running gear, and suspensions made previously failed ideas now work. In the early days, you had everything from a 2-2-0 to 0-4-0 to 0-6-0 on up to 0-10-0 - and those 2-2-0's didn't actually use a pilot truck. Once the concept of a pilot truck to aid in tracking came about, the 4-4-0 quickly followed and became very popular.
--Randy
Modeling the Reading Railroad in the 1950's
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YGW,
You posed an interesting question that Maxman correctly answered: the "8 wheeler" is the 4-4-0 in Whyte notation. As JaBear said, the common term used is "American" which reminds me of how the 2-8-2 got its common name "Mikado". This name comes from an order of 2-8-2s from Japan in 1897 to the Baldwin Locomotive Works. The naming makes sense because the Emperor of Japan was often referred to as "the Mikado". In the USA, during WWI, the mikado or Mike, was also called the McAdoo Mikado", and during WWII in the US, the class became known as the McAurthur, after the famous general. Sometime after peace was restored, "Mikado" came back into favor and today we commonly use the name to refer to the 2-8-2.
Naming is also region dependent. There are many great examples, but I'll just mention one. The Whyte 2-8-4 notation is commonly known as the "Berkshire", but on my beloved C&O, this was unacceptable because of the geographical location of the mountains this class was named after. So, the C&O instead chose to name the 2-8-4 after the Kanawha River, a tributary of the Ohio River in West Virginia. FYI Kanawha is pronounced "ka-naw".
Anyway, thanks for reminding me of the often colorful reasons how things are named on railroads.
Cheers, the Bear.
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According to wikipedia they are one and the same: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-4-0
yougottawanta While reading a book on different manufactures of locomatives. I came across a chapter that discussed a builder of "8 wheelers" is that just another name for a 440 ? Thanks YGW
While reading a book on different manufactures of locomatives. I came across a chapter that discussed a builder of "8 wheelers" is that just another name for a 440 ?
Thanks
how about a few more details. Do you mean a four driver steam loco or eight driver steam loco.
I am assuming steam locos. Notice you did not mention any more details.