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Custom made number boards
Posted by basementdweller on Sunday, August 3, 2014 8:57 PM

I am detailing an HO Athearn (BB) GP38-2 into DT&I GP38 #207. What is the easiest way to customize the number boards? In the past I have never worried about specific numbers and just used what I had available. This time I would like to try and get the numbers right. 

My goal is to light the headlights and the number boards (front and rear). 

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Martin.

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Posted by hon30critter on Sunday, August 3, 2014 9:27 PM

Hi Martin:

I did a similar project recently where I had to match illuminated number boards to the numbers on the side of the cab. I used Microscale decals sheet #87-205 which are white letters surrounded by black but they allow the light to shine through the numbers.

http://www.microscale.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=MD&Product_Code=87-205&Product_Count=&Category_Code=

In my case the number boards were already installed in the locomotive and couldn't be removed because of the epoxy holding the LEDs in place behind the boards. The original number board numbers bled too much light through them even with the LEDs dimmed down. I tried to mount the new numbers directly on the boards but I just couldn't get them straight enough. To get the numbers to line up properly I drew a line with black marker on .005" clear styrene and then mounted the numbers on the styrene. I found it much easier to align the numbers on the flat surface. Then I sealed the decals with clearcote and cut the styrene to size. I used tacky glue to mount them on the number boards. If your number boards are removeable you might not need to go through all that hassle.

Dave

EDIT:

Apparently DT&I used black letters on a white background so the above sheet won't suit the OP's needs. See the recommendations re Shellscale decals below.

Dave

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Posted by bogp40 on Sunday, August 3, 2014 9:49 PM

Another option is to use Shellscale decals http://shellscale.com/

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Posted by mlehman on Sunday, August 3, 2014 10:04 PM

I'll second the motion on Shellscale. They can get you the exact font needed in many cases.

http://shellscale.com/

Mike Lehman

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Posted by hon30critter on Sunday, August 3, 2014 10:48 PM

Mile and bogp40:

I don't think I have seen the ShellScale decals before. They look good.

The one advantage that the Microscale set that I suggested has is that the numbers with the black background can be illuminated. I didn't see any Shellscale sets with white numbers on a black background that could be illuminated, unless I missed something.

Dave

EDIT:

I looked up some pictures of the DT&I locomotives. The ones I could find had number boards with black letters on a white background so my suggested decals won't suit the OP's needs whereas the Shellscale ones will.

Dave

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Posted by mlehman on Sunday, August 3, 2014 10:59 PM

Dave,

You're right, I believe. Unless something's changed, Shellscale does only white on black or vice versa, no transparent number ones.

One way I thought of dealing with that was making up the number boards with Shellscale, scan them at hi rez, then print to a transparency. I'm planning on making some custom number boards and doing it this way, based on reports of other's success. Using the Shellscale to build the images is certainly legit for your own use. Like having a set of lost wax castings made from a plastic kit using the plastic parts as master for the brass, you'll be using up the product in the process of creating the resulting image.

I don't think Shellscale's diverse variety of fonts is available elsewhere, although I haven't seen the Microscale product and am sure it's good for what it is.

Mike Lehman

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Posted by hon30critter on Sunday, August 3, 2014 11:34 PM

Hi Mike:

I like your idea of using a transparency to produce the number boards. They could also be printed onto clear or white decal paper so you would only have to deal with one decal instead of trying to line up three or four individual numbers on the locomotive. I just got some of the decal sheets that do not require a sealer coat when using an ink jet printer, and they can have either a white or a clear background depending on how you treat them.

One thing I will mention is that if you want white letters on a black background the letters do need to be white as opposed to simply transparent. I received a defective set of decals from Microscale when I was working on my project. The numbers were clear instead of white like the original set I had started with. The clear numbers won't work on their own. They look terrible. The only way to make them work would be to put a white translucent panel behind them. Fortunately Microscale was kind enough to replace the sheet of defective decals at no charge.

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Posted by Mark R. on Monday, August 4, 2014 12:00 AM

When I need to illuminate white numbers on a black background, I just use the correct number font, and print a small panel in reverse on some white decal paper. 

What I'm actually printing is a small black box with clear numbers, but the white decal film makes the numbers white.

 

Mark.

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Posted by hon30critter on Monday, August 4, 2014 12:30 AM

Aw heck Mark! Stop making it sound so easy!Smile, Wink & Grin

To the OP:

Get yourself some white decal paper. Do what Mark said!

Here is the source I used for the inkjet decal paper that does not require sealing:

http://www.modeltrainsoftware.com/decalpaper.html

Dave

 

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Posted by Mark R. on Monday, August 4, 2014 1:45 AM

If anyone needs the EMD number font, I have it available as a True-Type font. Message me with your e-mail address.

Mark.

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Posted by basementdweller on Monday, August 4, 2014 5:27 AM
Thank you for the replies, what I noticed with DT&I number boards is that they were not consistent so white letters on black is how I will most likely do it, thanks again for all the replies. I will keep you all up to date on my progress.
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Posted by JDL56 on Monday, August 4, 2014 5:23 PM
 
My preferred way to make numberboards is with my computer and printer. It’s easy to make white on black or black on white, then cut them out and glue them on to the locomotive. It won’t work with lights, though.
 
 
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Posted by BRVRR on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 8:46 AM

I print my number board numbers on plain white paper with my home computer. When dry I 'sand' them down to make the paper stock thinner if they are going to be lighted. Then I cut them out and mount them with Tacky Glue.

So far this method has worked for me.

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Posted by G Paine on Tuesday, August 5, 2014 9:18 AM
I tried making my own inkjet number board decals for a GP7, black background on clear inkjet decal paper. I found the numbers do not show at all when the number boards are not lighted. If I do it again, I will use white inkjet decal paper.

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Posted by NZRDa63 on Saturday, February 21, 2015 12:39 AM

Hi Mark, Please could you email me the True-type font used ofr EMD Diesel Numberboards please. Thank you.

Look forward to your reply.

 

Kind regards

David (New Zealand)Smile

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