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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:04 AM

copeia started a new thread here.

http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/t/231042.aspx

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Posted by retsignalmtr on Wednesday, July 16, 2014 5:21 AM

Throwing a power routing switch may be cutting off power to the section of track that the train is on. If you are using Peco switches are they the insulfrog or electrofrog type? Electrofrog switches need insulated joints on both of the frog rails and you may need more track feeders to provide power to all the track whatever position the switch is in.

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Posted by richhotrain on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 4:57 PM

Click on this link

http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88.aspx

Then, click on the button that reads Create a New Discussion Topic and start typing.

Rich

Edit:  Since the link is not clickable, highlight it with your cursor and then right click on it.  You will see a Go To command which when left-clicked will take you to the destination.

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Posted by copeia on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 4:49 PM

Would be glad to start a new thread.  How?  I'm new at this.  Can't figure how to reach the home for this forum.

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Posted by richhotrain on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 4:32 PM

Yeah, I think this thread was best left dormant.   Laugh

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Posted by zstripe on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 4:18 PM

Copeia,

A suggestion. You would be better off, if you started your own new thread with a title like: ''Atlas plastic frog turnouts, help'' You will get more help that way than tagging on to a thread that is basically dead. Along with your questions, add along with the code 100 snap-switches, what does the rest of your track consist of, sectional? Flex Track?

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Posted by copeia on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:13 AM

Hi,

I have (like) engines with short wheelbases and want to buy more!!!!!!  I like to run them slow for switching on my 4x8 double loop DCC of 14 Atlas code 100 snap switches with plastic frogs. I have or had installed sound decoders in all engines.  Obviously, I like to hear the start, idling  and running of all the different prime movers with loads.  I also like ( a very distant second) weathering.  My rdc, gp9 and covered wagons run my track as if it is one contiuous piece of straight track but every time my short wheelbases cross turnouts, they hesitate or stop and then restart.  It is very frustrating.  

How do I wire the turnouts for the 2-4-0, 2-6-0 and 1st gen deisels, or do I replace the turnouts or will I have to double head the shorties which I can do but then how do I handle the galloping goose for mail delivery to all structures, even the stockyard?  The turnouts are my one stumbling block.  I'm comfortable with everything else.  I've searched youtube and David's excellent vids

All suggestions will be carefully considered.  I know I could eliminate the turnouts but part of the fun is carefully listening for the wheel clack at crossings.  Brings back a lot of childhood memories  of the early 40s (like the xmas card of frost and snow when you've hardly seem a significant amount of snow lasting longer than maybe three days).

 

Thanks

copeia

 

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Posted by sergentbinkoo on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 4:19 PM
that's right no reverse loop and I'm using peco turnouts
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Posted by sergentbinkoo on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 4:15 PM
its just an oval with track going from one side to the other and what are isolation gaps I'm very new to trains also im running DC but soon will be DCC thanks for your help
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Posted by sergentbinkoo on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 3:51 PM
and I'm running DC at the moment but soon will be DCC
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Posted by sergentbinkoo on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 3:50 PM
hi thanks for helping it is oval with half circle in centre and left and right peco turnouts train will travel around outside oval track but not on the half circle because when I throw a switch the train stops completely
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Posted by sergentbinkoo on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 3:38 PM
it stops when I throw the turnout point
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Posted by BroadwayLion on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 2:20 PM

Does the train stop when it enters the new route, or does it stop when you throw the turnout points?

 

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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 12:54 PM

sergentbinkoo
hi I'm sergentbinkoo I am having some problems with my turnouts stopping my train when I switch them its a oval track with semi oval I would really like some help please please please.
 

Stopping or shorting?

 

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Posted by zstripe on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 10:16 AM

I agree about the diagram.

He's throwing his turnouts manually and they are probably power routing, when he throws one, it shorts out because the other will have a different polarity. He need's insulated joiners. Even though it is an oval....always beware of the ''dogbone''.

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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 6:53 AM

I wish that the OP could provide a drawing.

Sounds like an oval within an oval.

In other words, sounds like an oval with a left and right turnout.  If so, no reverse loop.

What type of turnouts, Atlas, Peco?

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Posted by mlehman on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 12:08 AM

sergentbinkoo
It is an oval with half circle in the middle and the switches are hand operated and the train will only run on the outside track and cant even get close to going round the half circle, and when I throw a switch the train stops on the outside circuit and will not move at all

Sounds like you have a loop of track in the middle of the oval that is accessed by switching off the main oval. If the center loop comes around and connects back to itself before returning to the oval, that is what is called a return loop. All return loops must have isolation gaps and some means to switch polarity so the train can exit without shorting out.

If that sounds like what you have, then please confoirm and we'll try to get it sorted out for you.

Also confirm whether you are using DC or DCC for power. The solutions are somewhat different depending on what you use for power.

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Posted by sergentbinkoo on Tuesday, June 10, 2014 3:59 PM
hi a sergentbinkoo is a sergent that goes BINK---OO and the switches are not powered and I've checked the track and all is tight.
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Posted by sergentbinkoo on Tuesday, June 10, 2014 3:56 PM
hi sorry I didn't explain myself properly before. It is an oval with half circle in the middle and the switches are hand operated and the train will only run on the outside track and cant even get close to going round the half circle, and when I throw a switch the train stops on the outside circuit and will not move at all Thanks sergentbinkoo
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Posted by zstripe on Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:43 AM

Mark,

Yeah, I agree with You there too! Smile

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Posted by Mark R. on Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:32 AM

I'm gonna guess he has power routing Peco switches ....

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Posted by zstripe on Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:14 AM

Sounds to me that his power pack is not big enough to run his switch machines and his train at the same time, slowing it and almost stopping every time he trys to throw a switch. That would be my guess as to what he's asking. Either that he created a reverse loop with his half oval. In any event more info is needed.

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Posted by Doughless on Tuesday, June 10, 2014 7:32 AM

Hi.  and welcome.

You're probably going to have to provide more information in order for us to give you concise advice.

A "an oval track with a semi oval" sounds like maybe a reverse loop.  Does the train exit a turnout going one direction then reenters the same turnout later going the opposite direction?  If so, Google search "reverse loop wiring"

Or, you could also have a very short wheelbase locomotive that is getting stopped by the short pieces of the turnout where there is usually no power, the v shaped frogs.

Or, you could simply have defective turnouts (although not likely ALL of them)

A little better description of your situation is needed, I'm afraid. 

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Tuesday, June 10, 2014 7:14 AM

You probably have a loose rail joiner somewhere. Probably two of them on the same rail.

Park the train on the "dead" section of track, and touch each rail joiner with a key or something. When the train moves, you have found a joint that needs to be fixed. Of course there is the fact that there is a second gap hiding in there, otherwise the power would come in from the other end. So before you fix that gap and while the train is still stalled, look for a second problem on the same rail.

If the problem is in the switches, as it might well be, then we will need more info.

WHERE are you attaching your power. If the wires are attached to the tracks on the loop where the train is not stalled but is isolated by the switches, then that is your problem. You need to put the power on from the common side of the oval, which both routes will always use.

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Posted by tomcat on Tuesday, June 10, 2014 2:06 AM

I would love to help but it would be very helpful if you could tell us what type of turnouts/Track you are using !(Peco,Atlas, Shinohara,Tilig,Bachmann ezy track)

Are you running DCC or DC ? Have you installed feeders on your track .

The more info you can provide the better!!

BTW Welcome to the forum !!!

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Turnout problems
Posted by sergentbinkoo on Saturday, June 7, 2014 5:35 PM
hi I'm sergentbinkoo I am having some problems with my turnouts stopping my train when I switch them its a oval track with semi oval I would really like some help please please please.

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