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Got Velocipede? Tiny Kits for Puny Prototypes

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 30, 2014 3:12 AM

Looks like an early version of an ATV to me, stripped of its tires.

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Posted by mlehman on Saturday, August 30, 2014 1:31 AM

Excellent.Chef I foresee type-acceptance with such a thoroughly thoughtful design.BeerBeer

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Posted by "JaBear" on Saturday, August 30, 2014 1:07 AM

mlehman
I don't see a beer holder.

I think the beer is in the small keg just behind the head light, kept cool in the breeze.

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Posted by mlehman on Saturday, August 30, 2014 12:54 AM

mlehman The handlebars have been retained in case it wanders off track... Possibly something for the intrepid rider to hang on to when it got close to warp speed.......

I don't see a beer holder. Gotta be a better reason than holding onto the handlebars to set your suds down, so there would have to be someplace cozy for your drink if that's what was intended.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Friday, August 29, 2014 11:45 PM

mlehman
The handlebars have been retained in case it wanders off track...

Possibly something for the intrepid rider to hang on to when it got close to warp speed.......

Cheers, the Bear.Whistling

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Posted by mlehman on Friday, August 29, 2014 11:26 PM

Bear,

Apparently it was still in testing in this photo. The handlebars have been retained in case it wanders off track...

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Posted by "JaBear" on Friday, August 29, 2014 11:07 PM
My daughter  was coming home from university this afternoon and as her bus was late I was waiting in the library next to the bus station  and happened to come across this photo in a copy of  Old Bike Australasia, and thought this was just the place to share it.
Must have been the work of an “ingenious Australian”.  (Is that an oxymoron????)Stick out tongueWink

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Posted by G Paine on Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:27 AM

This reminds me of something that a friend of mine did in the mid 1980s. We wanted to ride his mountain bike on the old MEC Rockland branch. He built an outrigger from wood with some kind of flanged wheel on teh end. I do not remember what he did to keep the bike wheels on the rail. When he tried it, it worked good, except that the line had been abandoned for 15 or 20 years and he encountered trees growing out of the roadbed. His plans for a long rail ride were cut short...

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Posted by alexstan on Tuesday, May 20, 2014 11:24 PM
I had the privilege of operating one of the prototypes a few years ago. It's pretty hard work.

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Posted by steemtrayn on Tuesday, May 20, 2014 5:11 PM

If you can find it, the movie "The Chartroose Caboose" features a velocipede in action.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053705/

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Posted by "JaBear" on Monday, May 19, 2014 10:46 PM
Randy, the NZR jiggers certainly had the ability to coast, and as we probably “borrowed” the idea for “velocipedes” from the US, no doubt yours had that ability as well.
In the book “Mountain Enginemen” by Tom Masterson, in which he recounts his experiences as a young railway man from 1925 to 36 mainly on the most isolated and hilly section of the North Island Main Trunk.  As they had to make their own entertainment, there are several accounts of jiggers being “borrowed” so they could attend a social function at the next village, one of which relates the occasion of four on a jigger, one perched on a plank lashed to the outrigger, having done the uphill work, were coasting down the grade, got too fast where upon the whole kit and caboodle jumped the track on a curve. Not only were there bruises and abrasions to contend with but as the outrigger had broken off, they then had to manhandle the jigger seven miles back to the depot. Spoiled a convivial evening.

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, May 19, 2014 8:48 PM

 I bet when it was in operating condition, the brake lever was an easier reach. Also, they may not have any sort of ratche gear on the drive, like a coaster bike. More like a fixed gear bike, the handle keeps going the whole time it is moving. So you can slow down that way as well. Remember, except for certain exceptions, most railroad grades aren't all that steep. I don;t think I'd want to try riding one of those down Madison, or Saluda. Let alone attempt to climb them.

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Posted by JoeinPA on Monday, May 19, 2014 6:45 PM

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Interesting design, as I was able to get an up close inspection of the mechanism. Bet it was interesting running downgrade!

If I'm not wrong the handbrake lever is a long reach down and it looks like whenyou pull it up it pushes a flat brake plate against the rear wheel. Looks like a lot of fun.

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Posted by Geared Steam on Monday, May 19, 2014 6:32 PM

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Interesting design, as I was able to get an up close inspection of the mechanism. Bet it was interesting running downgrade!

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Posted by zstripe on Monday, May 19, 2014 4:18 PM

Mike,

Did you ever see or have an old pedal car? Not chain drive but two rods with pedals that you pushed with your feet. The back axle was designed like a Steam Loco side wheela, one rod up, one down. IF your legs were strong enough, you could hold both pedals, to stop from rotating, resulting in locking up the back wheels, There's the brake. Big Smile

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JaBear, Is that where the one liner used here in the states years ago came from? ''Jiggers'',The cops, are coming. Laugh

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Posted by "JaBear" on Monday, May 19, 2014 4:09 PM
Gidday again, George is correct in that the feet were also used, would have been good training if you were into rowing as a sport.
It would appear that this gentleman gets the credit for inventing "Velocipede"....
 
 
...and if you get the urge to build one here’s two NZR drawings.
 
 
 
 Looking at the second I guess the Inspector got the leather seat and his subordinate got the wooden one. Laugh.
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Posted by mlehman on Monday, May 19, 2014 2:03 PM

George,

I was wondering whether the legs got involved. The kit called them footrests, but the castings looked too complex to only be for that.

Yeah, doing the Flintstone on that thing is probably not a good idea. Makes me wonder what they did for braking other than hold onto the main lever and try to slow it down.?

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Posted by G Paine on Monday, May 19, 2014 9:14 AM

There is an HO scale velocipede, we have a model in the display case at Boothbay Railway Village. No idea who made it.

Edit: I did a quick search on Walthers. Sequoia makes one in HO and HOn3, but Walther no longer stocks it. Railway Express Miniatures makes one in N scale.
http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?category=&scale=&manu=&item=&keywords=Velocipede&words=restrict&instock=Q&split=300&Submit=Search

I have seen old film of these in use. The velocipeder (??) pulls and pushes the top handle with his hands and the lower one with his feet. They can move at a good speed, once they get going. I do not think the user would do a "Fred Flinstone" with his feet except to get it moving. Imagine catching your toe on a tie moving at 5 or 10 MPH. DeadGrumpy

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Posted by mlehman on Monday, May 19, 2014 8:45 AM

Wow guys, great pics! And I learned some stuff I didn't know.Smile

Bear,

Your pic is particularly intriguing, because it looks identical to the kit version I have, except it has a handy front "freight" platform in addition to the rear one. I'm not sure who made these originally or might have held the patent, maybe Fairmount? I'm sure you're correct they weren't missed much when the motor car came along.

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Monday, May 19, 2014 8:23 AM

Mike L ..... I have one on my layout. It is a left over from my 1900 era layout. It does not fit in with my 1962 theme, but what to heck. 

There is a velocipede in this photo.  The shed is intended to look beaten up with doors falling off hinges. 

Edit: I'm changing photos to a better one. 

 

 

 

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Posted by "JaBear" on Monday, May 19, 2014 6:19 AM

Gidday Mike & Frank, here they were known as "Jiggers" and were used predominately  by the  "Section Roadmen" also known as "Gangers" or "Surfacemen" who maintained the track and permanent way. We had one at the Railway Society I once belonged too, and once you get the knack and rhythm a respectable speed can be achieved especially with two. It would have sure beat walking, though I suspect that not too many tears would have been shed when they were replaced by motorised versions, excepting that they are far lighter to move off and on the track. Some of the hand jiggers were still used up to the 60s.

A New Zealand Railways Jigger and Ganger, circa 1906.

That model sure is a little cutie.Smile

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Posted by zstripe on Monday, May 19, 2014 4:20 AM

Mike,

Velocipede..Latin word for ''fast foot'' Most common Velocipede today, is the bicycle:


 

In railroad use

3-wheeled velocipede or handcar on a railroad track. It is operated by hand.

Railroads in North America often made use of a three-wheeled handcar designed to be operated by a single person. This came to be known as a "velocipede"[citation needed].


 

 

Interesting! Nice Model.

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Got Velocipede? Tiny Kits for Puny Prototypes
Posted by mlehman on Monday, May 19, 2014 2:23 AM

OK, so what the heck is a velocipede? Well, it's something like a bike. There are off-rail velocipedes, which I suppose differe in minor respects from bicycles, but I'm clueless about that. I did have a kit I'd been holding onto for years, until I felt inspired... and that was Friday...and some of Saturday morning.

It's a Sequoia Scale Models #13 HOn3 velocipede kit. You apparently cranked that double lever sticking up in the middle to go. Maybe the legs were involved, too, maybe not. Probably more useful for the section foreman to inspect track than anything else, you could run into town for sandwiches I suppose.

The instruction were a little unclear to me, so misassembled it the first time around. Got it apart, cleaned up and done right, mostly. It's shown here pulled over onto the platform at the station in front of the Sunnyside Mill in Eureka.

Obviously unpowered, it is also uninsulated, so you have to turn off power to the section of ntrack it's on if you want to pose it on the rail.

I'm pretty sure there was a HO standard gauge version. Were there any kits in other scales? Have you built one and have pics you'd like to share?

Mike Lehman

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