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Tender Truck Identification

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Posted by zstripe on Monday, November 18, 2013 5:50 PM

ACY,

I had forgot all about, Akane Brass, thanks for bringing that up. Looking for Tenders, I run across this pic. I never saw before:

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_prr999401.jpg

Cheers, Drinks

Frank

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Posted by ACY Tom on Sunday, November 17, 2013 11:54 PM

Question: Was the model tender an old Akane USRA Pacific?  I suspect those engines, and possibly Akane's USRA Mountains, may have been the only models to carry these trucks.  Could be wrong, of course.

 

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Posted by doctorwayne on Friday, November 15, 2013 8:05 PM

I'm not so sure that that line is a wire:  it seems to be coming from an object mounted higher up on the front of the tender.  Could it be some sort of a lube line for something on the tender truck?

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Posted by cointrain on Friday, November 15, 2013 5:31 AM

I am sorry I did not interpret those responses better. I did this very late at night. Sorry Wayne and Carey!

Back to the conduit. The reason I ask again, is because it seems to go to a circular thing on the left side of the tender. 

I know you guys have said that it could power marker or reverse lights, but that just does not seem right for some reason. No offense to anyone here. 

I don't know.

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Posted by don7 on Friday, November 15, 2013 12:36 AM

cointrain

I have looked and looked with no luck. These trucks seemed to be used on the Atlantic Coast Line.

That is fine that no one knows what they are. Does anyone know what these are? They look like Commonwealth, but different. Also does anyone know what that electrical conduit is going to on the tender?


ACL steam train crossing Central Avenue in 1948 by TPavluvcik, on Flickr

Thanks a lot all

Adam

I am amazed you are not reading the responses from your post.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Friday, November 15, 2013 12:31 AM

Adam, Carey and I both answered your question about the trucks. 

As for that conduit, it may be as Chuck said, or it may be a temporary set-up for a train signal line hose.


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Posted by cointrain on Friday, November 15, 2013 12:22 AM

Hey guys,

Here is a high quality photo of those trucks:


Atlantic Coast Line 4-6-2 USRA Light Pacific Steam Locomotive # 494, Class P-5, as built by ALCO, at it's Richmond plant by alcomike43, on Flickr

Here is another photo of that conduit thing.

Pacific class steam locomotive in passenger service in 1939

by TPavluvcik, on Flickr

Again if anyone has any information on the trucks in the previous post, it would be greatly appreciated!

Adam

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Friday, November 15, 2013 12:13 AM

Can't say about the trucks.

The conduit is probably for the backup light mounted on the right rear corner of the cistern.  It might also have powered the classification/marker* lights on the rear of the cistern.

* The lights would have been classification lights with the loco operating in reverse (backup light on) and marker lights if the loco was a rear-end pusher or running forward without cars.

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Posted by cointrain on Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:59 PM

I have looked and looked with no luck. These trucks seemed to be used on the Atlantic Coast Line.

That is fine that no one knows what they are. Does anyone know what these are? They look like Commonwealth, but different. Also does anyone know what that electrical conduit is going to on the tender?


ACL steam train crossing Central Avenue in 1948 by TPavluvcik, on Flickr

Thanks a lot all!

Adam

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Posted by cjcrescent on Thursday, November 14, 2013 1:40 PM

These are the USRA designed trucks. They were not standard on the USRA tenders. I've seen very few builders photos of USRA designed locos with these trucks, and later photos of those engines in service, show Andrews or other truck types under the tender.

I don't know if they rode rough, couldn't handle the loads, or if they were just plain poorly designed, but from what I've seen in photos, they didn't last long.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Thursday, November 14, 2013 10:26 AM

Those look to be the USRA-designed tender trucks.  Cal-Scale offered them (and may still) as their 190-311.

I'm not sure if they were standard on all USRA eight-wheel tenders or not, but many roads used heavy-duty Andrews trucks under their USRA tenders.


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Posted by dehusman on Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:48 AM

It looks like an experimental design.  Often railroads tried out a new design that was maybe never repeated on other railroads or on other equipment. 

Knowing the prototype would be a big help.

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Posted by crhostler61 on Thursday, November 14, 2013 4:54 AM

Hmm.  Yes who made this model? And what railroad was it based on? 

It's really different. Could it be a railroad specific change done on the prototype and picked up by the brass manufacturer? 

Don't know. Checked The Bethlehem Cars Works...the have some oddball trucks. No luck.

Mark H

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Posted by zstripe on Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:14 AM

Adam,

Any idea,of who made the tender? Stamp marks,or name anywhere and is it really Brass,or painted?

That would help a lot.

Cheers, Drinks

Frank

Edit: I see on this site,only one comes,close:

http://www.nmra.org/member/sites/default/files/datasheets/Rolling/d5a.PDF

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Tender Truck Identification
Posted by cointrain on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 8:30 PM

Anyone know what kind of trucks these are? I have been looking for information for a really long time!

Yes I have searched google, but without a exact name, I have no clue.
Also if anyone knows who makes them in HO scale, that would be great!
Thank a lot,
Adam

Tags: HO , trucks

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