Remember if the paint is too thick, the windows may not fit!! (learned the hard way after changing my mind on a roadname)
Great tip on the Alclad process, think I'll try it on my Amtrak California cars.
Mine doesn't move.......it's at the station!!!
jrbarney wrote:QUOTE: Originally posted by rexheaThanks Antonio. One off topic question. Quite often I see people refer others to back issues of MR. Well, I'm relatively new to the hobby and don't have back issues. I have checked the Trains index, but it looks like the only way you can see them is to buy a copy. Is this correct?Many Thanks, REX Rex,To answer your off topic question, here are some alternatives:1) Some large city libraries, if they subscribe to MR, have back issues in the stacks. Usually those libraries also have photocopiers available.2) Some hobby stores have stacks of back issues, usually for sale at very reasonable prices. Some used book stores also sell back issues of magazines, but prices may be higher.3) Trains shows and swap meets often have individuals selling back issues.4) Even if you are not a member, you can order photocopies of articles from just about any model railroad or prototype periodical from the vast collection of books and periodicals at the NMRA's Kalmbach Memorial Library in Chattanooga, TN:http://www.nmra.org/library/Admittedly, photocopies are cheaper if you are a member.5) You can order photocopies of Kalmbach publications from Customer Service at this site. Other publishers usually also sell their back issues, check their Web sites.6) There are vendors who advertise in the classified pages at the back of MR who specialize in back issues.BobNMRA Life 0543
QUOTE: Originally posted by rexheaThanks Antonio. One off topic question. Quite often I see people refer others to back issues of MR. Well, I'm relatively new to the hobby and don't have back issues. I have checked the Trains index, but it looks like the only way you can see them is to buy a copy. Is this correct?Many Thanks, REX
you can also contact MR magazine directly and order back issues:
http://kalmbachcatalog.stores.yahoo.net/model-railroading-model-railroader-magazine-back-issues.html
Hello BigRusty,
I agree with the 2nd idea ........basically getting that one small area out of the way and once it's cured, focus on the metalizing. Tamiya or 3M Fine Line masking tape work very well in cases like this.
Good news is that I finally have access to a digital camera. I hope to post photos of my results sometime this week as I certainly would appreciate the critiques. I have 3 cars that I did the Alclad II Chrome in and I'm going to do my next one in the Alclad II Stainless Steel for a comparison.
As I mentioned on the other threads, the shine tones down with each coat of clear. I got a realistic looking sheen with 2 coast of clear. Doesn't look "toy like" at all as some might fear.
High Greens
"I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!"
Antonio, I am getting ready to prepaint the Union Station Products Congressional/Senator sides and Train station Budd core kits prior to assembly. I will be painting the interiors first using the advice from the updating passenger cars thread that you started.
For the exteriors, I am wondering whether to paint the sides with Alclad II and gloss coat prior to masking to paint the Tuscan red letterboard and under window striping, or would it be better to paint them first, mask them and then do the black under coat and Alclad II and a final clear coat over both prior to decalling. It seems that the latter method would work out the best.
I am planning on using the Scalecoat II black for the under coat with may be a little white added to make a charcoal grey color.
I thought that I would chime in here (and yes, I do realize this is an old topic). Below are pics of cars that I sprayes with Floquil bright silver, and sealed with Future. I used Microscale decals. I am satisfied with the look, but plan on using Alclad (second attempt) on my next passenger train which will be a late 50's Sunset Limited. I have done some experimenting with Alclad and am ready to try again.
QUOTE: Originally posted by rexhea Thanks again Antonio. I guess I need to take a deep breath and get it in motion. Be thinking what I can do to get this paint off if I screw up.[:-^] [(-D][(-D] Hey, the prototype Southern E7's do have a Mars light don't they? The BLI drawing shows one and the real pictures I've seen have it installed on all but one. The reason I asked is that I have had a facination with the Mars light ever since I can remember. Got to have one!!![:D][:D] REX
QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Originally posted by rexhea [br Peace and High Greens with an E7 in Run 8!! Antonio, Thanks for more info. I'll take it all. I probably will start this project the first of the week and have the cars ready for when the Chome paint comes in. Just thought of something. Will this paint come close to matching the stock paint of the Walthers Budd cars? be good enough? I sure would hate to paint all of them.[:(] But, I will if necessary. I will difintely have a salute to "HIGH GREEN with an E7" if my Southern BLI E7 A/B ever comes in at Tony's. Bob, Thanks for the publication info. I am a new member of NMRA and still learning what its all about. I am going to Birmingham next week and meet with a long time member at the Wrecking Crew site and hopefully learn more about it. REX Rex "Blue Creek & Warrior Railways" http://www.railimages.com/gallery/rexheacock Reply jrbarney Member sinceJanuary 2002 1,132 posts Posted by jrbarney on Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:20 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by rexhea Thanks Antonio. One off topic question. Quite often I see people refer others to back issues of MR. Well, I'm relatively new to the hobby and don't have back issues. I have checked the Trains index, but it looks like the only way you can see them is to buy a copy. Is this correct? Many Thanks, REX [:)] Rex, To answer your off topic question, here are some alternatives: 1) Some large city libraries, if they subscribe to MR, have back issues in the stacks. Usually those libraries also have photocopiers available. 2) Some hobby stores have stacks of back issues, usually for sale at very reasonable prices. Some used book stores also sell back issues of magazines, but prices may be higher. 3) Trains shows and swap meets often have individuals selling back issues. 4) Even if you are not a member, you can order photocopies of articles from just about any model railroad or prototype periodical from the vast collection of books and periodicals at the NMRA's Kalmbach Memorial Library in Chattanooga, TN: http://www.nmra.org/library/ Admittedly, photocopies are cheaper if you are a member. 5) You can order photocopies of Kalmbach publications from Customer Service at this site. Other publishers usually also sell their back issues, check their Web sites. 6) There are vendors who advertise in the classified pages at the back of MR who specialize in back issues. Bob NMRA Life 0543 "Time flies like an arrow - fruit flies like a banana." "In wine there is wisdom. In beer there is strength. In water there is bacteria." --German proverb Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Sunday, September 26, 2004 1:08 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by rexhea Thanks Antonio. That DC10 is incredible! Man, if I could even come close. I'll sure give it a try. One off topic question. Quite often I see people refer others to back issues of MR. Well, I'm relatively new to the hobby and don't have back issues. I have checked the Trains index, but it looks like the only way you can see them is to buy a copy. Is this correct? Many Thanks, REX Rex, don't ever sell yourself short! You can do it! Painting today is so much easier. One thing I always do: After mixing my paint, just before I spray a model, I spray on a "scrapper" model (like an old Tyco boxcar) to make sure [1] My paint is not too thick. [2] The gun distance is right for the particular job. [3] The gun is not "sptting" from being clogged. (always clean it thorougly!) [4] And my spray motion speed is not so slow that I get runs. I'm sorry that I can't be much help as far as the back issue. My only suggestion would be to contact the Model Railroader staff (info on the main page) and ask if they would be willing to send you a copy of the article if they have no back issues left in stock (having been only been a year, I suspect that they do). BTW: I should have mentioned. If you go this route (sounds like you will) when you're ready to spray the GLOSS BLACK paint, add 15% to 20% GLOSS WHITE so that the paint is a glossy grayish-black. Again, experiment with a "scrapper car" first. Your local drug store sells small plastic measuring cups with lines in them, very cheap. This way you can have the same exact mix for each car everytime. One more thing that I think you'll find interesting and helpful: First, go to your search engine. (Mine is MSN.) Type in: Alclad 2 Tests by Mike McCleod and click Search. When you get there, make sure you have time on your hands as you read it. The info is Excellent! In your case just scroll down to the section where the tests were performed using the Chrome. Peace and High Greens with an E7 in Run 8!! "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply rexhea Member sinceJuly 2004 From: Southeast U.S.A. 851 posts Posted by rexhea on Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:05 AM Thanks Antonio. That DC10 is incredible! Man, if I could even come close. I'll sure give it a try. I doubt my hobby shop stocks this type of paint unless its used with RC cars [;)] But, the owner always goes the distance to help me get things. If I have to, I'll contact one of the retailers or vendors they have listed. One off topic question. Quite often I see people refer others to back issues of MR. Well, I'm relatively new to the hobby and don't have back issues. I have checked the Trains index, but it looks like the only way you can see them is to buy a copy. Is this correct? Many Thanks, REX [:)] Rex "Blue Creek & Warrior Railways" http://www.railimages.com/gallery/rexheacock Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,642 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Saturday, September 25, 2004 10:59 PM Hello Rexhea,You got some very good tips above. For future passenger car projects or even your current one, there is a another option that can yield very STUNNING results! Check out this link:www.alclad2.com/alclad-home.html Click on Aircraft gallery 2 and check out that DC10!)There is an article is in the July 2003 Model Railroader. It covers realistic looking metalizing for stainless steel passenger cars using Alclad II Chrome. The author did a nice job on his RDC. You can find Alclad II paints at hobbyshops. They can also order it for you.Basically, In a nutshell:Make sure the passenger car is completely stripped and clean. Apply a GLOSSY BLACK to the car. Scale Coat II is what the author used. Allow to cure a few days. Apply ALCLAD II CHROME on the shell. No need to thin it. Do not spray heavy. Apply in thin coats. The effect is incredible! The car will look like it's made out of stainless steel. Don't stop there, though. Fingerprints will make the finish go dull. [:0] After checking the finish over and if it's satisfactory, apply 1 to 2 "thin" coats of clear glaze. This will protect the finish as you handle the cars. Hope this helps! "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply rexhea Member sinceJuly 2004 From: Southeast U.S.A. 851 posts Posted by rexhea on Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:46 PM nfmisso Thanks for the site. Lots of good information. Looks like Poly Scale paint is o.k. to use. Kind of surprised that no one can give any hints on the do's and don'ts learned from personal experience with these type of cars. Rex "Blue Creek & Warrior Railways" http://www.railimages.com/gallery/rexheacock Reply nfmisso Member sinceDecember 2001 From: San Jose, California 3,154 posts Posted by nfmisso on Saturday, September 25, 2004 9:05 PM See http://www.hosam.com/ Nigel N&W in HO scale, 1950 - 1955 (..and some a bit newer too) Now in San Jose, California Reply rexhea Member sinceJuly 2004 From: Southeast U.S.A. 851 posts Best way to paint undec passenger cars? Posted by rexhea on Saturday, September 25, 2004 2:11 PM I have only done a little bit of weathering, but never have painted rolling stock from scratch. I have some Walthers Budd undecorated passenger cars that I need to paint. I have a Badger single action air bru***o use. Question: I have a jar of Poly Scale stainless steel colored paint. Is this the type of paint I should use or something else? Question: Where can I find Southern decals for passenger cars? Question: What are some of the "Gotcha's" that I need to watch out for? Some hints and secrets? I would appreciate all help and suggestions. I sure don't want to screw up these fine cars. Thanks a Bunch, REX [:)] Rex "Blue Creek & Warrior Railways" http://www.railimages.com/gallery/rexheacock Reply Subscriber & Member Login Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! Login Register Users Online There are no community member online Search the Community ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISEMENT Model Railroader Newsletter See all Sign up for our FREE e-newsletter and get model railroad news in your inbox! Sign up
Originally posted by rexhea [br Peace and High Greens with an E7 in Run 8!!
QUOTE: Originally posted by rexhea Thanks Antonio. One off topic question. Quite often I see people refer others to back issues of MR. Well, I'm relatively new to the hobby and don't have back issues. I have checked the Trains index, but it looks like the only way you can see them is to buy a copy. Is this correct? Many Thanks, REX [:)]
QUOTE: Originally posted by rexhea Thanks Antonio. That DC10 is incredible! Man, if I could even come close. I'll sure give it a try. One off topic question. Quite often I see people refer others to back issues of MR. Well, I'm relatively new to the hobby and don't have back issues. I have checked the Trains index, but it looks like the only way you can see them is to buy a copy. Is this correct? Many Thanks, REX