I am not a B&O prototype modeler but I do like the looks of the wagon top cars. Perhaps your questions would get a better response from a fresh posting. Starting a new thread will get a fresher pool of readers.
Pete
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Christian
On the B&O historical website click on B&O modeler. Excellent resource for modelers in any scale. Even though I model a competing road I always download and save the magazine. I comes in very handy detailing foreign road cars.
A comment here posted by a B&O "expert" prompted me to look at a lot of B&O passenger train photos, and there are few if any curtains drawn! Don't believe anything you hear, and only half of what you see seems to be sound advice!
steemtraynExchange Place in Jersey City was a PRR terminal. There is still a PATH station there. B&O passenger trains went to the CNJ terminal at Communipaw, also in Jersey City. B&O did not have a terminal in New York. Instead, passengers would board a motor coach (bus ) when they got off the train, and they would be taken to Manhattan on the CNJ ferry, and then driven to various hotels in the city. Outbound passengers would board the motor coach at their hotels, and once onboard, they were guaranteed a train connection. there was no need for a station in the city. When the bus got off the boat it would pull up alongside the train , discharge passengers, and then be turned on a small turntable for the next trip back to the city.
B&O trains ran over the Reading and the CNJ east of Philadelphia. The bus connection to New York City had its good points and its bad points. Some passengers liked it because of the view from the CNJ Ferry and because the bus drivers would let them off anywhere along the route. On the other hand, the PRR was faster and had a station right on Manhatten. Some of the old passenger trainmen would tell of getting into arguments with passengers who didn't want to get on the bus because they had bought a "train ticket" to New York.
BroadwayLion You can of course Google B&O Railroad and find out what information may be floating around. An interesting subsidiary of the B&O was the Staten Island Rapid Transit which is as close as the B&O got to New York City. The Eire Lackawana had their own terminal in Hoboken, and operated their own ferry terminals and boats. B&O, arriving at St. George as they did, needed no such infrastructure as passengers used the city owned ferry boats. But for whatever reason, this nevery really played out so well for them. I think that they migrated most of their long distance passenger trains to Exchange Place in New Jersey where they could change to H&M trains to Lower Manhattan. If I am not mistaken, B&O even ran a station in Manhattan and passengers used the H&M (Now the PATH) trains to Exchange place. B&O also had rather unique (and complicated) signals, which could be fun to model. \ LION does not know if you want to model the city, or Washington, or just some place in between, but LION will go for the city every time. It sure would be a giid candidate if you want to build a terminal interlocking system. ROAR
You can of course Google B&O Railroad and find out what information may be floating around. An interesting subsidiary of the B&O was the Staten Island Rapid Transit which is as close as the B&O got to New York City.
The Eire Lackawana had their own terminal in Hoboken, and operated their own ferry terminals and boats. B&O, arriving at St. George as they did, needed no such infrastructure as passengers used the city owned ferry boats. But for whatever reason, this nevery really played out so well for them. I think that they migrated most of their long distance passenger trains to Exchange Place in New Jersey where they could change to H&M trains to Lower Manhattan. If I am not mistaken, B&O even ran a station in Manhattan and passengers used the H&M (Now the PATH) trains to Exchange place.
B&O also had rather unique (and complicated) signals, which could be fun to model. \
LION does not know if you want to model the city, or Washington, or just some place in between, but LION will go for the city every time. It sure would be a giid candidate if you want to build a terminal interlocking system.
ROAR
Exchange Place in Jersey City was a PRR terminal. There is still a PATH station there. B&O passenger trains went to the CNJ terminal at Communipaw, also in Jersey City. B&O did not have a terminal in New York. Instead, passengers would board a motor coach (bus ) when they got off the train, and they would be taken to Manhattan on the CNJ ferry, and then driven to various hotels in the city. Outbound passengers would board the motor coach at their hotels, and once onboard, they were guaranteed a train connection. there was no need for a station in the city. When the bus got off the boat it would pull up alongside the train , discharge passengers, and then be turned on a small turntable for the next trip back to the city.
Staten Island Rapid Transit was a commuter operation that only served Staten Island commuters, no long distance passenger trains used it. Freight trains branched off the CNJ at Aldene (Cranford) NJ. and terminated at a yard next to the ferry terminal at St. George. Cars would continue on to Manhattan on carfloats. The S.I.R.T. line from St.George to Tottenville is still operated by New York Metropolitan Transit Authority.
Dave
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hqFS1GZL4s
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In N scale there is a lot of B&O passenger equipment, diesel wise I know Kato ran some F units a while back so you may have to do some searching, along with 6 and 4 car sets of their smooth sides. Con Cor made(makes?) B&O heavyweights which were made by rivarossi and they also make smoothside cars. Micro trains makes B&O heavyweights, ultimately you may have to do some digging to find passenger cars that you need. Freight locomotive wise, I do believe that there are GP's and SD's available. Kato made some SD40's, GP's, atlas makes early GP's, there are some con cor SW class switchers in B&O paint.
SP&S modeler, 1960's give or take a decade or two for some equipment.
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Gary DuPrey
N scale model railroader
be sure to run the trains with a lot of the window shades down so no one notices all the empty seats. i hear they did that long ago.
charlie
Christian,
Certain parts of the B&O system had different passenger consists. Up here on the Buffalo division, it was mostly ex BR&P steam power up until the last few years of passenger service which ended on the division in October of 1955. At the end, it was all B&O P-5 and P-6 locos up here:
Very few diesels saw this division in passenger service. They did keep passenger SD7's at Riker yard in Punxsutawney for protective service if one of the steamers was unable to make the run. Here are a few detail items for you. Up into the early 1960's Kerosene markers were used on the old heavyweight coaches. Here is my set of B&O markers in signal yellow paint with green and red lenses:
And in the dining car, by the end of service the blue china was used exclusively [until paper plates showed up in the late 1960's]:
Let me know if there's anything specifically that you need.
-Stan
ChristianJDavis1Hello, my name is Christian, and I am new to the Trains/Model Railroader discussion forums, and would appreciate information on Baltimore and Ohio passenger service from the 1950's and 1960's. if you have any information to share, or perhaps pictures of your modeling efforts, I would greatly appreciate any input. I am currently working in N scale, and would greatly appreciate any ideas and suggestions on interesting passenger information in regards to the Baltimore and Ohio (and Chesapeake ad Ohio, if applicable.).
Everyone has given you good sorces to look at, here are a few B&O basics.
B&O bought a lot of heavyweight cars from Pullman when Pullman was broken up under anti trust laws in 1947. They rebuilt many of those cars into what look like streamlined cars at first glance - they are not really modern lightweight cars - look closely at the trucks. Some of this was also done earlier by the B&O shops for several of the name trains.
B&O was slow to imbrace modern lightweight passenger cars, the first sets they bought were quickly shipped off to the Alton, which they owned at the time.
Only after the C&O took full control in 1965 did the B&O start a major move to modern lightweight cars - many of which came from the C&O.
While most people think of B&O passenger cars in the familiar blue and grey scheme with the gold stripes and letters, even in 1965 when the C&O took over, some passenger cars were still sold blue and some were still pullman green - mostly head end equipment - -but even one name train Pullman remained sold blue to the end.
With C&O control came both a new blue and yellow passenger scheme, as well as more stainless cars with various paint/lettering schemes. As well as the use of C&O lettered cars in B&O trains.
The B&O dieselized passenger service early and fast, and EMD was the winning supplier, with passenger heat equiped F3's and GP7's, E7's, E8's and later FP7's from the C&O.
They tried a PA1 deminstrator that ALCO painted in B&O colors - it was sent back in short order.
In steam days, Pacifics were the primary passenger power, as well as home built 4-8-2's. Mikados were often the mountain grade helper of choice for passenger trains - steam or early diesel.
By the late 50's the Pacifics were all but gone, only to be found on a few branch line runs/locals, and the 4-8-2's had been reassigned to freight duty for their remaining time.
I can't offer any real help in modeling since I don't follow what is available in N scale. But I think Con Cor may have some nicely lettered B&O smooth side cars, even if they are not exactly correct in window arrangement, length, etc.
Hope this helps, good luck.
Sheldon
Hi Christian,
I have a bunch of B&O links at home on my other screen account.
BUT;
your request is a little vague and broad...
I can tell you that google is your friend..jsut type in what you want at google...be celar as possible and you will get a WEALTH of B&O/C&O info! Form loco/car rosters to routes and everything in between.
i got over 10 pages of links for "B&O railroad Passenger service 1950s" and the same on "C&O passenger service 1960s"
Here is a link to the C&O historical Society:
http://www.cohs.org/history/
If you don't like the google results, try your favorite browser, I use AOL, Google and BING- i use all of them- for any search I do as they can all turn up different results.
Your searches can link you faster to what specifically you want than we can.
have FUN that is what teh hobby is for!
-G .
Just my thoughts, ideas, opinions and experiences. Others may vary.
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The B&O Railroad Historical Society has a website and on-line modelling magazine that contains much of the info you seek. www.borhs.org
The Baltimore and Ohio railroad network is another good place to start.
Sean
HO Scale CSX Modeler
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Welcome aboard Christian, Ken's link to the B&O yahoo group is the best advice. All the B&O "experts"/ historians hang out there, There are many that will be happy to answer your questions. Do let them now you are "new" to any info or you can get flooded w/ way too much confusing head spinning stuff for sure.
Modeling B&O- Chessie Bob K. www.ssmrc.org
I model the B&O (with a trace of C&O) as it existed ~1970. I'm afraid I can't answer your question exactly since passenger service was fading out during this era.
However, I would recommend joining the B&O Yahoo List if you haven't already done so. They've provided answers to some very obscure questions that I've posted. Many of the list members also belong to the B&O Historical Society.
Good luck!
-Ken in Maryland (B&O modeler, former CSX modeler)
Welcome to the forum!
There are a few B&O fans in the forum. I'm bumping your post to the top so hopefully they see it.
I rode the B&O Capital Limited round trip between Chicago and Washington DC in the early 1960's. I remember it was a very nice overnight train.
GARRY
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