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Rivets Where can I buy some?

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Rivets Where can I buy some?
Posted by don7 on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 1:12 AM

One of my old steamers lost a screw and the valve gear needs to be re-attached.

I just do not know where to get a threaded screw that small so I would try to re-attach the valve gear with a rivet.

Problem, I do not have any rivets, what would be a good source to find rivets for HO locomotives?

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 1:15 AM

... at the rivet counter, of course Smile, Wink & Grin

Sorry, I could not resist this one! Have you tried Micromark?

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Posted by Motley on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:35 AM

Ulrich, are you calling don a rivet counter? Or are the rivets on a rivet counter? LOL

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Posted by ChadLRyan on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 4:46 AM

Try Precision Scale & people who stock them, I bet there are others like Bowser, but I only have the PSC catalog here. They may even have the Threaded one, & they do have good data on them too.
precisionscaleco.com

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 6:30 AM

Is the company that made the steamer still in business?  If so, they probably still have that screw in stock, or they could at least tell you the size and thread count.

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Posted by kbkchooch on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 8:33 AM

http://yardbirdtrains.com/

If its a Mantua/Penn Line/Bowser/ Varney he's got the parts, or knows where to get it.

He does stock brass rivets too! Big Smile

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Posted by DigitalGriffin on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:50 AM

http://www.micromark.com/SearchResult.aspx?deptIdFilter=0&searchPhrase=rivet

Decals that are raised with rivet heads in HO and O scale.

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Posted by chutton01 on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:11 AM

DigitalGriffin

http://www.micromark.com/SearchResult.aspx?deptIdFilter=0&searchPhrase=rivet

Decals that are raised with rivet heads in HO and O scale.


Psst, I think the OP meant real (small) rivets, to replace a missing screw on his locomotive model.

That said, I thought of Archer scale rivet decals when I first saw the thread title too.

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Posted by Mark R. on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:16 AM

chutton01

DigitalGriffin

http://www.micromark.com/SearchResult.aspx?deptIdFilter=0&searchPhrase=rivet

Decals that are raised with rivet heads in HO and O scale.


Psst, I think the OP meant real (small) rivets, to replace a missing screw on his locomotive model.

That said, I thought of Archer scale rivet decals when I first saw the thread title too.

Me too !  ....  Don't think a decal will hold his side rod on very well !

You could also try NWSL.

 

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Posted by DigitalGriffin on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:18 AM

chutton01

DigitalGriffin

http://www.micromark.com/SearchResult.aspx?deptIdFilter=0&searchPhrase=rivet

Decals that are raised with rivet heads in HO and O scale.


Psst, I think the OP meant real (small) rivets, to replace a missing screw on his locomotive model.

That said, I thought of Archer scale rivet decals when I first saw the thread title too.

 

Nuts.  You are quite right.  Sorry about that.

In that case they may want to try contacting Bowser/Stewart/English's Model Trains.  They might have a couple small pieces left from their steam engine kits that are out of production.

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Posted by don7 on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:23 AM

ChadLRyan

Try Precision Scale & people who stock them, I bet there are others like Bowser, but I only have the PSC catalog here. They may even have the Threaded one, & they do have good data on them too.
precisionscaleco.com

Best of luck

I was on their site and I see there are a number of catalogues. Does the catalogue you have contains a listing for HO sized rivets? If so could you let me know the part number?

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Posted by maxman on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 11:31 AM

Bowser appears to have small screws and rivets.  See page 94 of: http://www.bowser-trains.com/hoother/Partref1.pdf 

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Posted by doctorwayne on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 2:13 PM

You should be able to get a suitable replacement at at least one of the sources mentioned, but if not, it's not all that difficult to make a replacement.

You'll need some brass wire of the proper diameter, a set of small drill bits and a pin vise.  Secure the wire in a vise or hold it firmly with pliers, then using a suitable tool (I use the point of an old draughting compass) mark, as closely as possible, the centre-point on the end of the wire.  With the smallest drill bit you have available, use the pin vise to drill into the wire's end - you don't have to go too deep, probably only .040" or .050".  Next, use progressively larger bits to increase the hole's diameter, taking care to not break through to the side if your centre-mark wasn't centred. Smile, Wink & Grin 
Next, cut off the hollowed-out end - leave it long enough so that the remaining solid wire will reach right through the parts to be joined, with only the hollow part protruding.  You can use a razor saw or cut-off disc, but I prefer to use an old X-Acto blade.  Working on a hard surface (I use a sheet of glass) press the heel of the blade on the wire at the point you wish to make the cut, then roll the wire back and forth using the blade and applying moderate pressure.  Make sure to restrain the future rivet, as it will go flying once the cut is completed.
Next, punch a disc from some sheet brass - this will form the rivet's head, and should be of an appropriate size and thickness.  Prior to punching the disc, use fine sandpaper to clean the sheet, then use your soldering iron to tin a small area from where you'll be punching the disc.
The solid end of the drilled-out wire should also be tinned.  To do so, drill a shallow hole in a block of wood, the same diameter as the wire, and only deep enough to hold the work upright.  Once the end of the wire has been tinned, you can then deepen the hole so that only the tinned top of the wire protrudes.  Place the disc atop it, then sweat the two parts together.
Use the rivet as you would a commercially-available one:  assemble the parts onto the rivet, head down, then insert a suitable item into the drilled-out end of the rivet (tip of a small nail, centre punch, etc.) to spread the end.
You'd not likely want to produce a lot of rivets in this manner, but it works for times when you need to repair something "now", or when a replacement is no longer available.


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Posted by ChadLRyan on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:00 PM

Don, I PM'd you..

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Posted by kbkchooch on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:53 PM

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Posted by tstage on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 8:02 PM

Don,

At the rivet counter - where else??? Clown

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Posted by don7 on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 8:14 PM

Thanks all for the advice,

I did drop a note to Bowser to see if they have any rivet kits left from their kit days, also ordered a couple of catalogues from Precision Scale. They have a number of rivets in various sizes I am told by one of their staff.

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Posted by hon30critter on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 8:15 PM

Mark:

NWSL makes rivet embossing tools for making raised rivet heads but the rivets are cosmetic only. There is no separate shaft as there would be with  a real rivet. The tool simply forms bumps on a flat sheet.

Great tool, but it will not do the job in this case where an actual separate part is needed.

DoctorWayne's method works for making one offs, but as he said, it isn't a very quick solution. Don't expect the first attempt to be perfect (or, as it usually works in my case, the first one will come out fine but it will take a dozen more attempts to make the second one!Smile, Wink & Grin).

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Posted by don7 on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 8:49 PM

kbkchooch

Great, ordered two sets, now just the waiting.

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Posted by Medina1128 on Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:21 PM

Try Lily Pad Hardware... Smile, Wink & Grin

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