A Rationale for Other Roads on Your Layout

[CP5415]

mactier_hogger

I'm considering a stand alone version of Bay Junction as suggested by David Popp in the first article of that series. That way I can run CP trains as well as those of that OTHER major Canadian railway  

OTHER major Canadian railway? Oh you're talking about the Grand Truck before it was abused at the taxpayers expense  right?

[GP-9_Man11786]

Where I live I commonly see Union Pacific run-through power on Norfolk Southern intermodals. That's one justification for other road's power on your layout. Another reason is leased power.

[Jumijo]

I just run what I feel like and don't get hung up on what should or shouldn't be on my layout. 

[EmpireStateJR]

Being mostly a freelance New York Central modeler I utilize some extended track rights to get the New Haven RR represented (They do call at Grand Central Terminal and were smashed into by the NYC around 1904 inside the smoke filled tunnels leading to the station). Track work detours get other northeastern roads onto the layout as well as pooled power agreements. Of course if I go forward to 1968 the Penn Central merger allows for the Pennsy and NYC to be well represented.  Go to 1969 and the New Haven joins the stable.

 

[cedarwoodron]

OP: so, in retrospect, the concept of contracted repairs give credibility to any layout where service work is done, and it just so happens to follow prototypical practice somewhere in the scheme of things. You see, it isn't just providing a rational for other liveries, but a rationale for getting more of them!!!!!!! (and having at hand a convincing argument to make to the better half as to WHY I need to get more of them)!!!!!!!!!!! So, now I can pencil in more fun rebuilds and repaints- without feeling guilty that I am abandoning my original layout concept! What a hobby, I tell you, what a hobby!!!!!!! Cedarwoodron

[riogrande5761]

West Coast S

Quite a bit of precedence for what you propose:

Some Espee examples:

SP serviced run through Rock Island E units assigned to the Sunset Limited at Taylor Yard in Los Angeles. Colton serviced and conducted FRA mandated inspections on motive power assigned to  Kaiser Steel and on rare occasions KS power made it as far west as Taylor Yard when heavy maintaince was required.

Dave

The D&RGW provides some good prototypical reasons to include other power.  As mentioned above, there was the Kaiser unit coal train so D&RGW fans can run UP/D&RGW power on the head end of the train and UP or D&RGW cabooses on the end.  In the 80's there was SP pool power mixed with D&RGW power across the Utah desert and Rockies, and occasionally even Chessie, Conrail power was seen (check CarrTracks photo's on his webpage).

On the Joint Line between Denver and Pueblo, you have Santa Fe, BN and D&RGW all sharing the tracks.  You can also model the hand off of trains in Denver to BN or CB&Q, MP/RI in Pueblo and in Salt Lake City with the SP, UP or WP>

[mactier_hogger]

I'm considering a stand alone version of Bay Junction as suggested by David Popp in the first article of that series. That way I can run CP trains as well as those of that OTHER major Canadian railway  

[Isambard]

Kansas City Southern power on the Grizzly Northern! KCS 2-10-2 Santa Fe type No. 220 joins GNRy's No. 5802 in pusher service at Geiranger.

[mobilman44]

Hi!

Rationale???   I don't need no stinkin rationale!!!

My layouts have always been postwar ('50s) Santa Fe in a generic midwest setting.   However, I do run a beautiful Illinois Central streamliner as well - bringing me back to my childhood in southern Illinois (thats me on the porch swing in my avatar).

As far as I know, the ATSF and IC crossed tracks at Joliet (Illinois) and that is about it.   But, who is to say they never traveled on ATSF tracks during emergencies and the like.   Soooo, on my layout, they have visitation rights, and can show off those orange and chocolate cars anytime they want.

[CP5415]

Run-through, leased power, on the way to get fixed, short line, junction. The Ontario, Drew & New England (my version of the D&H)  has lots of this.

Kinda helps too that there's an online railroad museum close by so that takes care of a lot of older diesels & steam locomotives that show up from time to time.

Gordon

[galaxy]

I like to protolance the B&O and all its later incarnates. I just change out what I need to and voila! new layout!

BUT: on the topic here, I also VERY much like Pennsylvania's beefy locos especially with the Belpaire firebox!

SO I imagined in my own little world that the B&O GAVE trackage rights to PA RR. THEN I found out {maybe I shoulda done research first?} that the B&O, in certain areas, DID indeed give trackage rights to the PA RR!!!!  I was in heaven!!!

Now,mind you, I am very well sure the smaller RRs who are serviced by the larger ones, probably DO get their shop work done at the larger RR's shops, if nearby anyway.

I DO know that among the CLass I's they will service any car or loco that needs it if it comes along to their servicing facilities, and bill the other Class I. Read  THAT in Trains magazine!

so you are copying the prototypes! There is a prototype for everything!!

 

[blownout cylinder]

My layout really requires no major hoohaw to explain away the odd carrier going through here...high season and a general lack of particular engines does that ...oh...and Fred 'How'dHeDoDat' Thompson's Exceda Train Museum and House of Ill Repute as well..he do have an extensive collection of them you know...

[BRAKIE]

I don't need a excuse..

I just rotate the railroad operating on my switching layout since it makes life so much simpler.

[MarkVIIIMarc]

Interesting topic.

I remember many times paperwork was complicated by trackage rights and other such issues.

Here is an example of a new BNSF / Union Pacific agreement if for any reason you care to read.

https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2012/03/08/2012-5663/bnsf-railway-company-trackage-rights-exemption-union-pacific-railroad-company#p-1

Every so often there would be a temporary situation where a washout or the like would force a detour as well.  The size of some railroad detours is amazing.  That could be when one of your buddies brings his power units over for an evening of running on your track.

To get a modern engine on a historical track might involve some science fiction.  Something similar to a movie called The Final Countdown.  (you know I Netflixed that not so long ago, it was still decent for TV at 1:00 AM)

There is even a non Back to the Future III way to get a steam locomotive on modern rails.  Look up UP3985 http://www.up.com/aboutup/special_trains/steam/locomotives/3985.shtml  .  The Union Pacific still runs a Steam Engine as a PR move.  No reason Toronado Railroad can't!

[hon30critter]

cedarwoodron

If I like the looks of an engine, or for that matter any other rolling stock, structure or landscape feature, it will find its way onto my railroad! That is because this hobby is supposed to be fun, and I am having a ball!

I need no other justification for the oddball stuff, although the majority of my modeling will at least suggest something of the reality of a prototype and most of the running will be done with reasonably appropriate rolling stock.

You have heard it before - its my railroad and I can do what I want!!!!! If the Hogwarts Express engineer ignores the speed limits I will speak to him personally!!

Dave

 

[Isambard]

That's a beautiful C&O loco, but it's not the only one operating in Canada.

 The Grizzly Northern has two ex-C&O 2-6-6-2's, bought from the C&O in 1930  for use on the branch line from Geiranger to Brunel and Kingdom. While the road name and numbers have changed and they're known as "Monashees", C&O heritage is still evident in their profiles.

 

[West Coast S]

Quite a bit of precedence for what you propose:

Some Espee examples:

SP serviced run through Rock Island E units assigned to the Sunset Limited at Taylor Yard in Los Angeles. Colton serviced and conducted FRA mandated inspections on motive power assigned to  Kaiser Steel and on rare occasions KS power made it as far west as Taylor Yard when heavy maintaince was required.

Dave

[farrellaa]

[So, my railroad finds additional revenue by taking on contracted major repairs for other roads' diesels; hence, I now have a reason to detail and paint additional diesels in those various other roads' schemes. Keeps the visual interest up, and the boredom factor down! Now I have an excuse to do even more projects!!!!!!! Cedarwoodron/quote]

I like your way of thinking. I have started collection locomotives (steam and diesel) other than NYC just because I like their looks,paint scheme. or ??  I have a large yard and repair/rebuild facility that will justify all the 'other' locos standing around.

    -Bob

[Trynn_Allen2]

After the PNWR took over the route from the SOO Line, It was quickly realized that vision that board of directors did not quite match the realities of the new terminus buisness would require for scale.  They additionally were unable to meet the initial (first 5 or so years) of loco needs during the Sugar Beet season, and so were forced to utilize outside help for these weeks.   And lastly the dairy in Portage refused to let the contract with the SOO expire until the PNWR was able to prove that it could make the milk run on a tight enough timeline twice a day.  So for specific periods of times it is not uncommon to find a SOO Pacific (haven't purchased yet) doing the milk run, or a Milwaukee Rd steamer pulling a coal run into Portage, with loaded coke hoppers heading back out.  During harvest season, it's entirely possible to see GB&W Mogels, Soo Line Ten Wheelers, or Milw Prairies along with the PNWR's steeplecabs making the daily extras.  And strangely enough it was not unheard of for the SOO to borrow GB&W engines and crews for cars being loaded at Green Bay, rather than interchanging them at Steven's Point they would just dead head the engines and caboose to points along the line, and then route them off as soon as they could.  This save the SOO from having to move engines around the system.

[BATMAN]

When Canada declared war on Germany in 1939 the United States poured supplies over the border to help the war effort under the lend/lease act. This included some nice Locomotives. We just forgot to give them back after the war.

Here a C&O 2-10-4 hauls a freight through the Rockies on the Canadian Pacific's main line. They'll never find it there.

Brent

[cedarwoodron]

For those who have some sort of engine servicing facilities on their layouts, I have a reason to allow those "other roads" on yours, no matter how loyal you may be to a particular railroad prototype. I model western Minnesota and eastern North Dakota, and have an engine facility as a principal focus point. I saw that there are several small regional railroads around Minnesota-surely not all of them can afford to build shop facilities that would enable them to handle major repairs. So, my railroad finds additional revenue by taking on contracted major repairs for other roads' diesels; hence, I now have a reason to detail and paint additional diesels in those various other roads' schemes. Keeps the visual interest up, and the boredom factor down! Now I have an excuse to do even more projects!!!!!!! Cedarwoodron