Dullcote vs. Lusterless

[AggroJones]

Okay. I've been using both of these flat finishing products for years, but can't figure out the difference between them. At first I was under the impression that Dullcote was a rougher fini***han Lusterless, that''s why it cost $1 less. Now I just don't know. Are there any real differences? What are your experiences with them? To me they seem the same. Except for the smell and $1 price gap.

[Big_Boy_4005]

If they smell different, they may contain different bases. Read the labels. Is there a difference in the level of dullness? Maybe the extra dollar is for more of the active dulling igredient, if there is a difference in the level of dullness.

You are onto something when you say roughness, because that is what makes it look dull. Gloss is very smooth, and reflects the light. It is that smoothness that makes it ideal for applying decals. Of course real railroad paint is very glossy when it is new, just like automotive paint.

When you go to remove the shine using a duling spray, you are creating a rough surface to break up the reflection of the light. Did you know that photographers use hair spray. The thing about hair spray is it can be washed off.

[eng22]

Sorry to muddy the waters a little more, I have used Krylon Flat finish with good results, very economical compared to dullcoat, leaves a rough finish by comparison. It REALLY holds pastel chalk. Use caution, a light coat is all that is needed.

[Anonymous]

DULLCOTE VS. LUSTLESS

When I feel lustless I just go to bed because I'm tired.

Serious though, what makes the clear paint dull, is the fact that it has talc in it. I've never tried it but I've had people tell me that you can take the shine off of paint by dusting the model with talcum powder. Maybe the amount of talc is what causes the differance in the price.

Have a blessed day and remember SANTA FE ALL THE WAY

Bob

[Big_Boy_4005]

Bob, if you are feeling lustless, try this topic. Please share this with Mrs. Teffy.[swg]
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11854

If you're feeling listless, it's OK to take a nap.[|)][;)]

[darth9x9]

Most of the cheaper clear flat sprays contain lots of talc (as TEFFY mentioned above). Railroad Colors clear flat contains very, very little talc and is preferred by the masters.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Big_Boy_4005

Bob, if you are feeling lustless, try this topic. Please share this with Mrs. Teffy.[swg]
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11854

If you're feeling listless, it's OK to take a nap.[|)][;)]

Thanks Big Boy - Mrs teffy and I got a large charge out of that post. I saw it earlier but didn't notice the misspelling. The next time I feel lustless, I'll go read it again instead of taking a nap. At my age in three days it'll be a new item.

Have a blessed day and remember SANTA FE ALLL THE WAY

Bob

[AntonioFP45]

Guys, good input!

Just my 2 cents.

Also, don't forget that talc has virtually no light reflective properties, even when it is applied smoothly!

By rough, you're basically meaning "flat with a smooth application technique". Newbies might misunderstand and get the impression that the finish should be rough as in "textured" or "orange peely".

When new, acrylic or urethane single stage paints are actually "orange peely on prototype diesels, however, when the paint fades over time the surface (when clean, of course) is actually very smooth to the touch, though not slick.

Cheers!

[AggroJones]

I think I figured it out. Whatever the chemical make-up of it is, Dullcote applied over Bragdon enterprise weathering powders fade the powder down less than lusterless does. But BEWP adhere more to a lusterless covered surface than a Dullcoted one. [%-)] Or mabey I didn't figure it out. Whatever.

I think I'll stick to just buying Dullcote from now on and save my $1.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by AggroJones

I think I figured it out. Whatever the chemical make-up of it is, Dullcote applied over Bragdon enterprise weathering powders fade the powder down less than lusterless does

The instructions for Bragdon weathering powders say do not apply protective oversprays. Rub them in well on the model and the built in dry adhesive is supposed too fix the chalks.

Bob Boudreau

[AggroJones]

QUOTE: Originally posted by FundyNorthern
]The instructions for Bragdon weathering powders say do not apply protective oversprays. Rub them in well on the model and the built in dry adhesive is supposed too fix the chalks.

Bob Boudreau

Bob, in some applications I do an extreme does of BEWP followed by a clear overspray. That provides a different effect than just powder worked in the surface. Some times their powder is too potent.