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What industries to you model?
Posted by Junctionfan on Sunday, August 1, 2004 9:41 AM
I am interested in what industries and other railroad customers you model. I am also interested in hearing what cars you use for the industries and if you have painted up cars for that particular industry you have modelled.
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Posted by Hawks05 on Sunday, August 1, 2004 12:52 PM
well i don't have much for industries, fine i don't have anything for industries on my layout. but i do plan on buying the ADM grain tower and then probably a grain elevator or seed place. thats what is in town, a grain elevator and some seed places. i'll use mostly hoppers for all of this. i already have 2 ADM hoppers but i'd like to get more of those and some ADM tankers.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 1, 2004 1:15 PM
I'm thinking about modeling a grain elevator, tool and die shop or a small steel foundry, a silica sand plant, a team track, and maybe a few smaller businesses. I'm only going to have at biggest a 4 1/2 x 8 feet layout, so that's why I can't have many industries.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 1, 2004 1:21 PM
On my dads layout there is a lumberyard, a small warehouse, a farm supply company, a plastic unloading facility, a heinz pickle building that i use as a chemichal company.

On my layout I hope to have some large industrial park with a lot of switching[:D]
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Posted by jrbernier on Sunday, August 1, 2004 1:25 PM
I have a zinc mine loadout(crushed ore), and a zinc concentrate( a small 'float' operation that produces zinc in powdered form for covered hoppers) mill. I also have a Swift packing house, a bulk oil/gas distributor, feed mill and grain elevator. the largest town has a freight house, and the end of the branch has a team track with a ramp/loading dock.
The two zinc operations produce about 6 cars/day, and the packing house ships 3 meat reefers/day. I use a six day cycle in my car order operation, so the other industies either receive or ship maybe 1 or 2 cars in the 6 day cycle. I plan in building some kind of cold storage/grocery distributor in the future. I relocated a pickle shipping operation last year and that siding now has a small power plant(Walthers) that will receive 2-3 cars of coal every 6 days. The layout has 4 towns(1at the end of a branch), and 88' of mainline from 'staging to staging'....

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 1, 2004 1:34 PM
The planned industries on my layout include a Pulp & paper mill, a brewery, a Chemical supply house, a military/industrial complex as well as the more generic team track, feed supply and oil distributor.
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Posted by Junctionfan on Sunday, August 1, 2004 2:01 PM
For interest, let me tell you what my old club had on the layout.

ADM milling-up to 12 covered hoppers (grain)
Casco-up to 4 corn syrup cars
Stelpipe-up to 5 flats (usually bulkhead)-large diameter pipe
Vasuvius-up to 3 covered 2bay hoppers (don't know what for)
Gencorp-1 tankcar (lubricants)
General Chemical-1 covered hopper, 2-3 acid cars
Exolon-up to 3 covered hoppers (abrasives)
Moore McCleary-usually 2 covered hoppers (salt, grain or aggregates)
Domtar Paper-3-4 box cars (paper)-also planed on a siding for kaolin tanker
Vinnings-2-3 tank cars usually atlas 17,500 gal. (fuel additives)
Fostor-Wheeler-1 depressed flat or heavy duty flat (Boilers)
Feranti-Packard-a 4 truck depressed flat usually like Fostor-Wheeler (transformers)
Interlake Paper-2 or 3 box cars usually 50 foot high cubes (pulp, paper)
Cadbury-usually a 71 foot mechanical reefer (fruit juices)
Newmans Metals-usually 4 or 5 gondolas or high side gondolas (scrap metal)
GDX-7 or 8 grain cars (milling)
Greatlakes Lumber-1 box car of veneer, 2 or 3 box cars of lumber (centerbeams mostly)
Banks Lumber-same as Greatlakes only 4 loads of lumber and 2 box cars
Niagara Distribution-1 or 2 lumber cars, 2 box cars (various products)
Lubrizol-up to 7 tankers for fuel additives (sometimes use 65 foot tankers)
Niagara Recycling-3 or 4 box cars for srap paper
Niagara Industrial Mall-2 or 4 box cars for variety of products
Redpath-4-6 covered hoppers for sugar milling
Abitibi-Consolidated Paper-up to 7 woodchip cars, and 15 box cars
Geogia Pacific Paper-up to 5 pulpwood cars and 6 boxcars
Oxyl Vinyls (Geon)-up to 8 plastic pellet hoppers and 6 "vinyl chloride" tankers

The club also was installing a Fonthill Lumber, Gallaher Paper, Inco Nickel Smelter, Atlas Steel, GM autoparts plant, John Deere, Hayes-Dana frames plant and a Robin Hood flour mill last I heard.
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Posted by AltonFan on Sunday, August 1, 2004 2:06 PM
I definitely plan to include a commercial lumber-coal-fuel retailer and a gravel pit.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Sunday, August 1, 2004 5:18 PM
Found on my HO industrial switching layout.
1.Bremen's Distributors.In. Steel grave vaults,caskets. out Empties.Boxcars
2.Pilisbury.In Flour,sugar,Corn starch,corn sweetener. Out: Empties.Cover hoppers,Tank Cars.
3.Valley Whole Sale: In Food Stuffs.Out Empties.Boxcars
4.Standard American Knitting:In Cloth,dyes.Out Military Uniforms,empties.Boxcars,Tank Cars
5.Williams Manufacturing:In steel coils,empty boxcars..Out: Steel Doors empties..Coil cars,boxcars
6.The C.J.Browniing Company.In Scrap rubber,empties.Out: Rubber Pellets,empties.Boxcars Cover hoppers
7.Deer Creek Meats: In Meats Out Empties..Reefers
8.Allen & Sons:In empties Out: scrap..Gons
9.The Holystone Corp.In:Hides Empties.Out Leather,Empties..Boxcars
10.Carrs Distribution: In Beer,Whiskey.wine,tobacco Products.Out Empties..Boxcars
11.Lockhart's Printing Corp.In Ink,Paper.Out Empties..Tank cars boxcars
12. J.W.Spillman Produce.In Produce.Out Empties..Reefers.
Team Track.
Jackson Caterpillar. In Heavy equipment.Out empties. Flat cars.
Mike's Lumber & Roofing.Luumber,roofing.Out Empties.Lumber cars and boxcars
Millers & Sons -Inactive.
Southern Ohio Rural Electric.In .Cable. Out empties.Flat cars and Gons.
Quints Steel tubes.In Steel tubes.Out: Empties.

Larry

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Posted by Big_Boy_4005 on Sunday, August 1, 2004 6:10 PM
For me it will be grain elevators and milling, followed by auto manufacturing. Then there will be some lumber yards, an oil refinery, and some chemical related business. There will be a few others handeling general freight, but those are the major ones. There will be a lot of interchange traffic too.
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Posted by ericsp on Sunday, August 1, 2004 7:13 PM
All of my industries are currently under construction. Here is what they will receive and ship by rail once complete.

Oil refinery
In: Crude Oil, sulfuric acid, sodium hydroxide, denatured ethanol, methyl tertiary butyl ether, FCC catalysts
Out: LPG, haxane, benzene, gasoline, jet fuel, diesel fuel, asphalt, petroleum coke

Concrete terminal
In: portland cement
Out: nothing

Lumber Mill
In: Logs
Out: various sizes of wood beams, plywood, veneer

Tomato processing plant
In: nothing, although there may be some corn syrup of spices coming in by rail if the plant gets big enough.
Out: Canned, choppped tomatos; tomato paste; tomato concentrate; salsa; pizza sauce; barbeque sauce.

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Posted by BNSFNUT on Sunday, August 1, 2004 7:44 PM
I have :
A grain elevator, plastic unloading, auto parts warehouse, produce dealer, building supply dealer, stone dealer, LPG dealer, office funiture factory, whole sale grocery, cement dealer, printing plant, flour mill, steel fabicator, auto unloading center, chemical plant and a team track for a total car capacity of 33 cars when all spots are full
I usually have about 20 cars spoted at industries at any one time.
My freight car fleet in tailored to serve these industres.
I am planing to add a container yard and a coal fired power plant.

There is no such thing as a bad day of railfanning. So many trains, so little time.

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Posted by coal drag on Sunday, August 1, 2004 8:16 PM
Since I plan on modeling the UP, all of my industries have all picked up and left since they cann't get any cars. All of my sidings and main will be full of trains with out power since there is a loco shortage. All of the frieght cars will be empty because they have beed looted long ago.
This leaves me plenty of time to sit back and drink some brews.
Just remember "We can handle it !!!"


Seriously, I plan on having a major cement plant that will be shipping by both rail and truck. Haven't found any dry bulk trailers though.
A casket manufacturer that will recieve coil steel and copper . They will ship by rail and truck also.
A container and roadrailer comlex.
Don't know if I'lll have room for a steel mill though
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Posted by Junctionfan on Sunday, August 1, 2004 8:36 PM
I have in the works a giant layout I plan to build when I get my house. I have a gigantic amount of industries.

Ashland Chemical-inbound glycol; outbound nothing
General Mills-inbound grain; outbound food products
Ball Glass-inbound silica, hydroflouric acid; outbound nothing
Occidental Chemical-outbound chlorine
Eaglebrook Chemical-outbound ferrous chloride
Home Depot-inbound tools, building material, lumber
LTV Steel-inbound coal, scrap metal, coatings;outbound steel coils
Nova Chemicals-inbound ethalene oxide;outbound polyethalene
Safety-Kleen-outbound waste oils, glycols
Domtar Paper-inbound kaolin slurry, pulpwood, hydrogen peroxide;outbound paper
BASF-inbound pine trees; outbound methanol
Gilmann Paper-inbound woodchips; outbound paper
Unicolour-inbound carbon black
Exolon-inbound silica, coke; outbound silicon carbide
Vasuvius-inbound sand, coke; outbound silicon carbide
PPG Industries-outbound sodium hydroxide solution
Hamilton Beach-inbound plastic pellets, outbound appliances
3M-inbound vinyl chloride;outbound plastic pellets
Proctor&Gamble-inbound potash
LG-inbound argon
Duracell-inbound sulfuric acid
US Gypsum-inbound gypsum, outbound gypsum board
Esso Oil Refinery-inbound fuel additives; outbound liquified petroleum gas
Glidden-inbound xylene, toulene diisocynate
AGP-inbound grain;outbound vegatable oil
AE Staley-inbound grain;outbound corn syrup
Dow Chemical-outbound hydrochloric acid
Sysco Food Distribution-inbound refrigerated foods
Dupont-inbound cyclohexane;outbound adipic acid
International Metals-outbound scap metal
Alcan Aluminum-inbound soda ash;outbound aluminum coils; alumina
Ford assembly plant-inbound autoparts, frames;outbound autos
IMC-inbound anhydrous ammonia, phosphoric acid, sulfur;outbound fertilizer
Plexiglass-inbound menthyl methacrylate monomer
National Starch-inbound grain, outbound starches
Sundown Cement-outbound cement
Citgo-outbound tar, ashphalt, pitch

If I have more room, I will add other industries.
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Posted by ericsp on Sunday, August 1, 2004 9:51 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

I have in the works a giant layout I plan to build when I get my house. I have a gigantic amount of industries.

Ashland Chemical-inbound glycol; outbound nothing
General Mills-inbound grain; outbound food products
Ball Glass-inbound silica, hydroflouric acid; outbound nothing
Occidental Chemical-outbound chlorine
Eaglebrook Chemical-outbound ferrous chloride
Home Depot-inbound tools, building material, lumber
LTV Steel-inbound coal, scrap metal, coatings;outbound steel coils
Nova Chemicals-inbound ethalene oxide;outbound polyethalene
Safety-Kleen-outbound waste oils, glycols
Domtar Paper-inbound kaolin slurry, pulpwood, hydrogen peroxide;outbound paper
BASF-inbound pine trees; outbound methanol
Gilmann Paper-inbound woodchips; outbound paper
Unicolour-inbound carbon black
Exolon-inbound silica, coke; outbound silicon carbide
Vasuvius-inbound sand, coke; outbound silicon carbide
PPG Industries-outbound sodium hydroxide solution
Hamilton Beach-inbound plastic pellets, outbound appliances
3M-inbound vinyl chloride;outbound plastic pellets
Proctor&Gamble-inbound potash
LG-inbound argon
Duracell-inbound sulfuric acid
US Gypsum-inbound gypsum, outbound gypsum board
Esso Oil Refinery-inbound fuel additives; outbound liquified petroleum gas
Glidden-inbound xylene, toulene diisocynate
AGP-inbound grain;outbound vegatable oil
AE Staley-inbound grain;outbound corn syrup
Dow Chemical-outbound hydrochloric acid
Sysco Food Distribution-inbound refrigerated foods
Dupont-inbound cyclohexane;outbound adipic acid
International Metals-outbound scap metal
Alcan Aluminum-inbound soda ash;outbound aluminum coils; alumina
Ford assembly plant-inbound autoparts, frames;outbound autos
IMC-inbound anhydrous ammonia, phosphoric acid, sulfur;outbound fertilizer
Plexiglass-inbound menthyl methacrylate monomer
National Starch-inbound grain, outbound starches
Sundown Cement-outbound cement
Citgo-outbound tar, ashphalt, pitch

If I have more room, I will add other industries.



Sounds like it will be a facinating layout.

I have a few questions and comments that may add to the realism of you layout. Plants that produce chlorine almost always produce sodium hydroxide and hydrochloric acid. I believe that Plexiglas is a trademark of Rohm and Haas (it may be a different company). Also, some of the chemical names were spelled incorrectly (only makes a difference if you are going to make waybills [Is that what they are called?]). Hydrofluoric Acid, most people do incorrectly put the "o" before the "u". There is no "n" in methyl. Finally, what are you going to do about placards? Will they have the correct numbers? Good luck, sounds like a big project.

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Posted by Junctionfan on Sunday, August 1, 2004 10:30 PM
About the chlorine plant-I will have to add more sidings at the Dow Chemical than. Thankyou for the information about Plexiglass-I will rename the plant than Rohm and Haas. As far as the car numbers are concerned, the answer is yes. It will take some time but I have already accumulated alot of pictures and number series to have alot of correct prototypical rollingstock. The only thing that I wouldn't mind getting info about is I need more tankcars stenciled for Hydrofluoric acid and Methyl Methacrylate Monomer.
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Posted by ericsp on Sunday, August 1, 2004 11:31 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

About the chlorine plant-I will have to add more sidings at the Dow Chemical than. Thankyou for the information about Plexiglass-I will rename the plant than Rohm and Haas. As far as the car numbers are concerned, the answer is yes. It will take some time but I have already accumulated alot of pictures and number series to have alot of correct prototypical rollingstock. The only thing that I wouldn't mind getting info about is I need more tankcars stenciled for Hydrofluoric acid and Methyl Methacrylate Monomer.


Appearently is it Atofina Chemicals that holds the Plexiglas (one s) tradmark, <http://www.atofinachemicals.com/atoglas/index.cfm>. I must have assumed Rohm and Haas had the trademark because, if I remember correctly, R&H is the largest producer of methyl methacrylate.

When I asked about the placard numbers, I was refering to the haz-mat placards. I am modeling a refinery and will have products being shipped out that Microscale does not make placards for. I have not decided if I will put placards on these cars from the appropiate class but with incorrect numbers or wait to see I can find blank placards with numbers seperate.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 2, 2004 4:16 AM
I use a grainelevator as backdrop.

My prototype is Cajon-Pass and there is the big ADM elevator at Keenbrook.
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Posted by Junctionfan on Monday, August 2, 2004 8:29 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ericsp

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

About the chlorine plant-I will have to add more sidings at the Dow Chemical than. Thankyou for the information about Plexiglass-I will rename the plant than Rohm and Haas. As far as the car numbers are concerned, the answer is yes. It will take some time but I have already accumulated alot of pictures and number series to have alot of correct prototypical rollingstock. The only thing that I wouldn't mind getting info about is I need more tankcars stenciled for Hydrofluoric acid and Methyl Methacrylate Monomer.


Appearently is it Atofina Chemicals that holds the Plexiglas (one s) tradmark, <http://www.atofinachemicals.com/atoglas/index.cfm>. I must have assumed Rohm and Haas had the trademark because, if I remember correctly, R&H is the largest producer of methyl methacrylate.

When I asked about the placard numbers, I was refering to the haz-mat placards. I am modeling a refinery and will have products being shipped out that Microscale does not make placards for. I have not decided if I will put placards on these cars from the appropiate class but with incorrect numbers or wait to see I can find blank placards with numbers seperate.


I imagine you can find that on line. I found something very close on the haz-mat website. If you do some reseach into the chemical itself, you can make some pretty good if not accurate guesses about the placards.

I will do some investigation into the hexane part. I am certain I have seen a couple of tankers stenciled for hexane.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 2, 2004 9:45 AM
I will have a steel mill, a power plant, a grain elevator, an oil loading platform, gravel crusher, a coal flood loader, a concrete plant, and an asphalt plant. Most of these are one building industries since I do not have the space to model the industries in ther full sizes. This is a nice grouping, I think, because I can run various trains from different industries. I hope to have coal loads coming from the coal flood loader to the steel mill and to the power plant. I will have gravel going from the crusher to the concrete plant and to the asphalt plant. I will also have oil going to the asphalt plant and a little to the steel mill. Then there are things that must go to or come from an industry without any destination or origin, respectively. These will be steel in various forms from the steel mill, grain to and from the grain elevator, and cement to the concrete plant.
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Posted by jwmurrayjr on Monday, August 2, 2004 9:59 AM
Mining
Ore processing
Lumber
Sawmill
Box Factory
groceries for local consumption
general merchandise for local consumption
coal and oil sales for local consumption
tourism

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 2, 2004 10:30 AM
mostly rural like farms and mills.
but i do plan a metal fabrication building soon
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Posted by ericsp on Monday, August 2, 2004 9:56 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

QUOTE: Originally posted by ericsp

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

About the chlorine plant-I will have to add more sidings at the Dow Chemical than. Thankyou for the information about Plexiglass-I will rename the plant than Rohm and Haas. As far as the car numbers are concerned, the answer is yes. It will take some time but I have already accumulated alot of pictures and number series to have alot of correct prototypical rollingstock. The only thing that I wouldn't mind getting info about is I need more tankcars stenciled for Hydrofluoric acid and Methyl Methacrylate Monomer.


Appearently is it Atofina Chemicals that holds the Plexiglas (one s) tradmark, <http://www.atofinachemicals.com/atoglas/index.cfm>. I must have assumed Rohm and Haas had the trademark because, if I remember correctly, R&H is the largest producer of methyl methacrylate.

When I asked about the placard numbers, I was refering to the haz-mat placards. I am modeling a refinery and will have products being shipped out that Microscale does not make placards for. I have not decided if I will put placards on these cars from the appropiate class but with incorrect numbers or wait to see I can find blank placards with numbers seperate.


I imagine you can find that on line. I found something very close on the haz-mat website. If you do some reseach into the chemical itself, you can make some pretty good if not accurate guesses about the placards.

I will do some investigation into the hexane part. I am certain I have seen a couple of tankers stenciled for hexane.


Thanks for the offer, however I know all of the placard numbers. It is finding placards with the correct numbers in HO scale that produces some trouble. The only good set so far that I have found it Microscale's 840 and it only has a few numbers.

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Posted by michealfarley on Tuesday, August 3, 2004 12:35 PM
My small branch line layout includes:
3 Grain Elevators, one also deals Anhydrous
Flour Mill, loads in and out
Feed Mill, loads in and out
Grocery Warehouse
Cannery
Coal-Fired Power Plant
Lumber Distributor
Bulk Fuel Distributor
Team Track with side and end unloading ramps
Interchange with CNW and SOO Line
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Posted by CP5415 on Tuesday, August 3, 2004 1:12 PM
I plan on having an auto parts plant & a paper mill as my main industries with, I'm hoping, a food processing plant for my reefer fleet.
I'm not sure what else I'm going to be able to fit in until I see how much room I have.

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Posted by MAbruce on Tuesday, August 3, 2004 1:29 PM
What industry do I model? Now that’s a good question!

My layout is located in a rural area that time seems to have passed by. Most of the freight activity is pass-through these days, and there is no longer very much local switching activity.

But then there is a certain freight warehouse (pictured below) that is quite an enigma.

You will notice that it’s quite active, but has no parking lot or roads leading to it. It also seems to generate far more freight activity than its size would suggest. For instance, the next picture is the yard that serves this warehouse:

So unless this warehouse has a huge basement, one has to wonder where all the stuff is going??? [:0]

Hummm, maybe this something for agents Mulder & Scully to look into? [8D]
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Posted by ericsp on Tuesday, August 3, 2004 10:30 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by MAbruce

What industry do I model? Now that’s a good question!

My layout is located in a rural area that time seems to have passed by. Most of the freight activity is pass-through these days, and there is no longer very much local switching activity.

But then there is a certain freight warehouse (pictured below) that is quite an enigma.

You will notice that it’s quite active, but has no parking lot or roads leading to it. It also seems to generate far more freight activity than its size would suggest. For instance, the next picture is the yard that serves this warehouse:

So unless this warehouse has a huge basement, one has to wonder where all the stuff is going??? [:0]

Hummm, maybe this something for agents Mulder & Scully to look into? [8D]



Must be spontaneous generation and spontaneous disintegration.

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Posted by Jetrock on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 12:01 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by MAbruce

You will notice that it’s quite active, but has no parking lot or roads leading to it. It also seems to generate far more freight activity than its size would suggest. For instance, the next picture is the yard that serves this warehouse:

So unless this warehouse has a huge basement, one has to wonder where all the stuff is going??? [:0]


Sounds to me like a good excuse to add passenger service! An RDC or small commuter train could drop off and pick up employees at beginning and end of day, dropping them off at passenger stations nearby.

My modeled industries:

A fruit packing/canning business
A team track/interchange track (the location included both an interchange track and team loading area.) with SP
An interchange with WP (although there is a bottling plant that shares the spur.)
A casket company (on a passing track rather than having its own siding, they have a loading dock for LCL shipments.)

A small metalworking shop and furniture store are serviced via the team track.

Not too much, but for eight square feet of layout it's not too bad.

Planned but not built: At least one large cannery, an almond-processing plant, a freight house/LCL warehouse, a dairy, another warehouse that serves a riverboat shipping company, and at least one more interchange. Of course, I have to expand beyond eight square feet first...
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 7:39 AM
Packing plant, Beef in, steaks out. Freight house and team track. Coal for RR loaded coal hoppers in, empties out. Tie plant, logs in, ties out, chemical tanks in. Off line and online mining empties in, loads out. Brewry, grain box cars in, beer reefers out.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 8:37 AM
[^]I am doing Petrochemical-oil feilds, with assorted tankers, Sinclair-Texico-line B & O Tankers. I am also
going tyo have a beer hall[^] and pool hall[C):-)]and possible a trailer trash park[(-D]with a cat house[:O][:)][:P][;)]

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