jwhitten Mike Kieran: Hey Poeet, couldn't they use giant slingshots? Lawn darts anyone..??? John
Mike Kieran: Hey Poeet, couldn't they use giant slingshots?
Hey Poeet, couldn't they use giant slingshots?
Lawn darts anyone..???
John
Well it's no wonder how the Starfighter got it's nickname if that's how they were shipping them.
In the mid 80s five F-8 Crusader hulks were shipped from the Arizona airplane graveyards to the Vought aircraft plant in Grand Prairie, TX on flat cars. The fuselages were shipped separately from the wings; all were well packed in wooden forms. At Vought, they were remanufactured into a variant of the A7 which was to enter into a competition with the F16 for a new Air Force ground attack fighter (which Vought lost). I have pictures of these on the flat cars, somewhere....
I'm guessing that the same procedure was used to transport F8s to Grand Prairire to create the numerous A7s that were built in the 60's for the Navy and the Air Force for use in Vietnam.
Why would someone ship an airplane by flatcar? Because it's too difficult to unload one from a gondola with a forklift.
Of course, those 737 fuselage assemblies are taken off the car with overhead cranes.
Taking the wings off a small, general aviation aircraft usually involves disconnecting control and electric cables and fuel lines, then removing a couple of bolts. Reassembly is well within the capabilities of an airframe mechanic, and the facility's chief mechanic/inspector can certify airworthiness with a stamp and signature on the appropriate form. Paying a pilot, and eating up engine hours, would cost a lot more.
Chuck (Former USAF QC inspector modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)
Hey! Just noticed. Welcome to the forum Kim Zuters.
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It's kinda like saying 'why do they ship automobiles by rail, when they could just drive them to where they're going?'.
If the planes could fly themselves, it would make sense. You'd have to hire a pilot to fly the plane to where it was to go, plus pay his expenses (hotel stays, meals, train or plane tickets back home) plus fuel for the plane to get there. If you sell a lot of planes, that's a lot of money with pilots constantly in transit.
It would pretty soon be clear I think that it would be easier and cheaper to just ship it by rail. Plus of course the manufacturer would have to take the loss if anything happened to a plane in transit, whereas if a plane was damaged on a train, the railroad would be liable.
papasmurf Not unusual, as NASA had several shuttle components shipped via rail, which were just small enough to fit through all rail line tunnels. My 2 cents. TTFN....Old Tom aka papasmurf in NH
Not unusual, as NASA had several shuttle components shipped via rail, which were just small enough to fit through all rail line tunnels. My 2 cents. TTFN....Old Tom aka papasmurf in NH
I know this because it derailed on a short line near my house.
Not true gang.
The De Havilland Beaver and Otters were both shipped by rail since their manufacture began in 1947 at the Downsview (Toronto) plant. The reason, they didn't have the range to fly over oceans so were tested, disassembled to major components, crated, shipped by rail to pacific coast or Atlantic coast ports where they were shipped by vessel to foreign ports. There is a great article in CN Lines, Volume 10, #2 about the process.
Cheers,Kim ZutersOttawa, Ontario, Canada, Terra, Sol, . . .
Answer: because it wouldn't fit in a caboose?
I seriously doubt one owuld be able to name one thing that has not been shipped my train. Years a go I was in Arizona waiting at an intersection with a buddy on our motorcycles and a flatbed tractor trailer goes through the intersection we were at with the fuselage of a B-24 and a pair of wings strapped to it's side. Of course being some what of an aviation buff and having a sense of curiosity that has often gotten me in trouble from time to time my friend and I decided to follow it. So after a few miles the driver pulls in to a rest area and the two of us along with maybe 4 or 5 other overly curious followers walked up tot he guys truck to have a look see. He laughed and said this thing is like an ice cream truck for grown men. Every time I stop when i carry one of these a flock of guys come around. He told us he was headed to a rail yard as the plane was going to California to be restored.Why not drive it, who knows maybe it was cheaper by rail I don't really know but the driver told us this wasn't the first old plane he had taken to the rail yard.
There was a shortage of rubber bands for the props, but I heard that they're on their way. There maybe some kids with problems with their braces
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Hey is that the new F-35 Raptor that the Canadian Air force is getting??? I did hear there were delays in shipping from the plant.
Brent
"All of the world's problems are the result of the difference between how we think and how the world works."
Mike Kieran Hey Poeet, couldn't they use giant slingshots?
In '06 I encountered the carcass' of a Grumman TBF/TBM Avenger and a razorback Republic P-47 "Jug" being transported east to New Jersey aboard a trio of flatbeds. These were obviously lacking airworthyness certificates.
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That's because they are. Just go to http://www.railpictures.net/ and search for Boeing 737 in the Keyword Search box. You will get back 26 pictures. They are made in the Boeing factory in Wichita, KS and are bound for the Boeing factory in Renton, WA. They will be assembled there.
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jwhitten B&O SteamDemon: jwhitten: Airplanes on trains: I was just curious where did you take the pictures of the passenger planes on railcars? Do you know what manufacturer built them and where they were heading? Ray They're not my photos, just pics I found on the net. But they are from the Boeing plant in Washington state, near Seattle I think. Here's a site that gives a lot more information about it: http://alongtherails.wordpress.com/2010/10/16/the-airplane-train/ john
B&O SteamDemon: jwhitten: Airplanes on trains: I was just curious where did you take the pictures of the passenger planes on railcars? Do you know what manufacturer built them and where they were heading? Ray
jwhitten: Airplanes on trains:
Airplanes on trains:
I was just curious where did you take the pictures of the passenger planes on railcars? Do you know what manufacturer built them and where they were heading?
Ray
They're not my photos, just pics I found on the net. But they are from the Boeing plant in Washington state, near Seattle I think.
Here's a site that gives a lot more information about it: http://alongtherails.wordpress.com/2010/10/16/the-airplane-train/
john
B&O SteamDemon jwhitten: Airplanes on trains: I was just curious where did you take the pictures of the passenger planes on railcars? Do you know what manufacturer built them and where they were heading? Ray
Hey John, boy UP really is taking over everything. Pretty soon they'll assimilate the Borgs.
jwhitten Airplanes on trains: Here's something you don't see every day... John
Here's something you don't see every day...
They do here in eastern NC. A new aerospace plant just opened up (Kinston) and they ship fuselages by rail to Morehead City to ship overseas to France (Airbus). I think they actually go to Ireland for assembly. The first one shipped about 6 months ago. They actually paid to have a major overpass as well as some power lines raised in the town I live in (New Bern) so they would clear. Its a sight to see a plane going right through downtown in the middle of our historic district. Thats a big hunk of metal very close to 200 (at least) year old buildings.
As has been stated by others, "There is a prototype for almost every thing".
It is amazing that some one will reply to a post as what the poster is stating is impossible and will never be or never has been. Then, bam, boom, some one finds an example of it in real life.
It makes model railroading much more enjoyable when this happens.
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In the post WW2 era I know that many of the former German V-1 and V-2 as well as Me 161,262 and others were crated and covered and sent by rail to a secure fascility for reassembly and flight testing.. some 1/72 models covered with tissuepaper and broken down would make an interesting train.
I just figured that the planes can't fly without their wings, so we put them on a freight car.
g&gfan I know the plane isn't the same as on the Athearn flatcar, but DeHavilland used to ship crated airplanes from Toronto, ON to the ports on the east and west coasts of Canada during the 1950s. In CN Lines V10 No. 2, Stan Svihla wrote an article covering this practice, complete with pictures from de Havilland/Bombardier. The planes mentioned were the Beaver and the Otter. One photo shows a crated Beaver destined for Mobil Oil in Tripoli, Libya. The crated Otter is labelled for Ideroes (sic), Norway.. I'm not sure that either plane would be able to make the flight overseas without special modifications.
I know the plane isn't the same as on the Athearn flatcar, but DeHavilland used to ship crated airplanes from Toronto, ON to the ports on the east and west coasts of Canada during the 1950s.
In CN Lines V10 No. 2, Stan Svihla wrote an article covering this practice, complete with pictures from de Havilland/Bombardier. The planes mentioned were the Beaver and the Otter. One photo shows a crated Beaver destined for Mobil Oil in Tripoli, Libya. The crated Otter is labelled for Ideroes (sic), Norway.. I'm not sure that either plane would be able to make the flight overseas without special modifications.
Wideroes is Norway's third airline - "small and green between the clouds" has been used to describe both their airplanes (and sometimes how their passengers have been feeling).
It could be a rather religious experience to land in strong side winds and sudden down drafts in small aircraft (like the DHC2 Beaver, the DHC3 Otter and later the DHC6 Twin Otter) on small municipal airports nestled between the mountains and the fjords along Norway's rather weatherbeaten coast.
Grin, Stein
-Morgan
The plan was to crate the planes, ship them overseas to the nearest port, assemble them by company representatives and fly the planes to their destination. This was after the planes had been built, tested and disassembled at the factory.
Jeff,
Thanks for the information. This has been an interesting topic.
I have a booklet titled, "I.C.C. Commodity Code Numbers in Alphabetical Order." It was put out by the Rock Island around 1960, give or take a few years. I'm sure other railroads also had similiar booklets for their use.
It's a listing of freight articles and their ICC commodity class code number. In this booklet, 625 is used for Airplanes. There are quite a few different listings. One is for "Airplane fuselage with power" which I would take as being a small single engine aircraft. Another is for "Airplane fuselage without power" which could be a small aircraft or part of a larger aircraft. Then there are the other various listings for the parts of airplanes; wings, elevators, propellors, etc. All are under commodity code number 625.
So, for whatever reason someone must have sent enough small airplanes to rate an ICC classification. When it comes right down to it, I'm sure all the railroad would care about is that the check clears when payment is made.
Jeff
fec153 reads like our government in action. flip
reads like our government in action.
flip
No, it does not.
This is not a "Bash the Government" forum. Nor a political forum.
Last I read it is a model train forum and a question about shipping an aircraft by train.