I would like to finish off an old MDC/Roundhouse 2-6-2 Harriman with Cal Scale's #190-2021 super detail kit. Have heard that Bowser recently had a few but apparently they're now sold out as well. Has anyone got a lead on one of these out there in someone's unused stock? If that fails the next step is to ask if the kit was made up of other available Cal Scale parts and what, if any, part numbers apply. Obliged, friends.
Attuvian I would like to finish off an old MDC/Roundhouse 2-6-2 Harriman with Cal Scale's #190-2021 super detail kit. Have heard that Bowser recently had a few but apparently they're now sold out as well. Has anyone got a lead on one of these out there in someone's unused stock? If that fails the next step is to ask if the kit was made up of other available Cal Scale parts and what, if any, part numbers apply. Obliged, friends.
Looking at the Bowser website, it says that the 190-2021 detail kit is for the MDC 4-4-2 Atlantic. But since I know nothing about steam engines, all I can do is direct you to the website page where they diagram all the parts that made up the kit: http://www.bowser-trains.com/hoother/calscale/6000.pdf.
Hope this is helpful.
Regards
The kit is applicable to all of the MDC/Roundhouse Harrimans (4-4-2s, 2-6-0s, 2-6-2s) as they all have the same boilers and cabs. Only the undercarriage and wheel configurations are different. The problem, at least as I'm reading it, is that all but I think one of the items identified with "Det" numbers have np other part numbers listed. The 190- numbers are Cal Scale items and the 13- series parts are from Carey. But the 90xxx series parts are still a mystery.
Welcome to old guys obsessing about the steam that they grew up with. Believe it or not, I can still recall the fragrance of the hot cinders and gases being pumped out of NYC locos on the Michigan Central in the very early 50s. I'll probably see a response suggesting that I just cough up the bucks and buy something already detailed. Or someone questioning the throwing of time and money at a loco kit that originally cost less than $40. I guess superdetailing steam is just a "different strokes" kind of thing - and one that appears to be on its way to becoming a lost art. Thanks for your time, Maxman.
I see no problem what so ever with what you want to do and actually applaud your efforts in that direction but, you do realize that neither UP nor SP had any 2-6-2s ? Espee had 1 back in the 1930s that they acquired from the EP&SW but it barely survived long enough to be painted into SP colors. And it was a "straight" boilered engine and not a "Harriman Standard" design as they call these. As for the other MDC engines, the 4-6-0 comes closest to anything the SP ever owned. Of course this doesn't mean you can't use the old "modelers license" but when you can't find out what the roadnumbers were this will explain why.
That being said, they are great little engines and give the "feel" of the Harriman design and are usually great runners as well. I had a couple of the 4-6-0's back in the 1960s before the brass ones became available. Hated to see them go in a way but next to the brass ones they just didn't make the grade, in "my" eyes. Besides, I bought mine for what you paid for yours, $40 each. My how things have changed..................
Good luck on your project..........
Mark
WGAS
Thanks for your support, Mark. On one hand I suppose I won't have to stretch my license too far as this guy is being built for my own Southern Oregon short line. And though it will have some connection to an SP main line (early Black Widow diesel era), who knows where they bought it. But on the other hand, there's going to be a couple of other curiosities about it. I'm replacing the cheesy MDC ones with spoked pilot and trailing trucks. They were present on lots of Prairies (like those of the SP&S - though they weren't Harrimans, either). And I'm jumping a little farther over the hill as the trailer is a Precision Scale Delta with the generator removed to fit. Also working on dropping a flywheeled Mashima or Igarashi in it. I think it will be a sweet little unit if I can get the detail kit somewhere.
John
Attuvian The problem, at least as I'm reading it, is that all but I think one of the items identified with "Det" numbers have np other part numbers listed. The 190- numbers are Cal Scale items and the 13- series parts are from Carey. But the 90xxx series parts are still a mystery.
The problem, at least as I'm reading it, is that all but I think one of the items identified with "Det" numbers have np other part numbers listed. The 190- numbers are Cal Scale items and the 13- series parts are from Carey. But the 90xxx series parts are still a mystery.
The 90xxx series numbers seem to be Bowser parts. See the following link and scroll down to the number you want: http://www.bowser-trains.com/Prices/Bowser%20HO%20Parts%20Prices.htm.
I can't help you with the DET things, but a lot of them seem to be piping configurations or things that could be made from whatever they use to make the piping, the cab handrails for example. I'm wondering if DET means "detail" and that the instructions that came with the kit had some sort of detail views showing how the wire was supposed to be bent.
My suggestion is that you call Bowser and discuss this with them. Ask them what the DET means, and ask them if there were any instructions that came with the kit. If they no longer have the kit, they should at least be able to get you a copy of the paperwork (if there was anything besides the sketch), especially if you indicate that you want to buy $100 worth of detail parts from them. You might have to be persistent to get to the knowledgeable individual. I'm not certain, but I think the most knowledgeable person there on your topic would be Lee English.
Try calling The Train Shop in Santa Clara, CA. They don't have an online presence, but they do have an extensive inventory of lost wax brass castings both PSC and Cal-Scale. I can't guarantee they'd have any of the 190-2021 kits in stock, but you don't know until you ask.
The phone number is (408) 296-1050 and they're open Monday thru Saturday from 9:30 to 6:00. Barring that, PSC and Cal-Scale both make individual parts that would be correct for the model. I don't know if you've got a PSC catalog, but it's a very good investment if you're into detailing steam locomotives. You could use the diagram here: http://www.bowser-trains.com/hoother/calscale/6000.pdf to determine what parts you need, either Cal-Scale by number or PSC by picture. The PSC catalog sells for $18.00 if you get it directly from PSC. http://psc1.virtualfocus.com/
Andre
Thanks, Andre. Just gave them a call and they didn't have it. The search continues . . .
Thanks. That nailed down the Bowser number issue. I'll se if I can get in touch with Mr. English. I'm betting that the kit, which has been around for a long time, is the source of any number of inquiries with the Bowser folks. They may have some idea if they are ever going to be produced again.
Hello,
I download the instructions for the 190-2021 detail kit. I have 100's of Cal Scale parts.
What parts would you like?
Jerry
Attuvian Thanks, Andre. Just gave them a call and they didn't have it. The search continues . . .
Sorry they couldn't help. It was worth a try.
In my recent dealings with Bowser, they have taken a back order on detail items that are no longer in stock. According to the person I spoke with, they will rerun detail kits if there is enough demand in back orders. As an example, the super detail kit for the Cary 4-4-0 Pittsburgh boiler will likely never be rerun again. But the detail kit for the Roundhouse Shay likely will in the near future.
just my experiences
Fred W
Howdy! I appreciate the offer. Let me get back to you in a few days. I need to sort out what might be in the detail kit against what individual items from the kit are available separately and what part numbers they have. The Cal Scale diagram is not helpful in this regard because it doesn't specify numbers for some of the critical ones.
By the way - I listened to the radio once yesterday. Does that give me "inside" status ? : )
Jerry,
I found one at toytrainheaven.com! At a discount, no less, that left me with $5 off even after the postage. In any case I'm going to keep you in mind for some other Cal Scale stuff. Is there a way to get in touch outside of the forum? I'm kinda new to this forum stuff and am unfamiliar with some of the "ins and outs" that apply.
I have just aquired literally thousands of detail parts from a hobby shop that went out of business. There is a box of 200-300 cal scale parts that I haven't gone through yet. Some of the part numbers are alpha-numeric, i.e. GE-348 for a generator and some are the 190-nnn part numbers. I have about 400-500 Precision scale parts. I also have Kemtron, Details West, Grant Line, Scale rails, Utah Pacific, Overland models (parts only) and many many others. Unfortunately, most of the the Precision Sale parts only have a part number on them and no desciption of what the part is. Can anyone help me identify the Precision Scale parts?
just aquired this and I am still sorting it out. Let me know more specifically what parts that you want and I'll see if I can find it.
Darrel
cmmodeler Unfortunately, most of the the Precision Sale parts only have a part number on them and no desciption of what the part is. Can anyone help me identify the Precision Scale parts?
Unfortunately, most of the the Precision Sale parts only have a part number on them and no desciption of what the part is. Can anyone help me identify the Precision Scale parts?
Try the Walthers on-line catalog: http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=precision+scale
Generally Walthers catalogs items using a manufacturer ID number, which in this case appears to be 585, followed by whatever the manufacturer's part number was.
cmmodeler, I'm sending you a private message.
Hi all,
I know this thread is old, but had to check here. Found the "6000.pdf" on the current Bowser site. It mentions instructions that came with the kit. Anyone still have a copy of these instructions that could be scanned? It would contain the "Det" information as to how to put this together. Thanks.
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You might want to try the HOSEEKER website.
-Kevin
Living the dream.
For anybody looking for Cal-Scale detail parts, contact, or better yet, visit English's Model Railroad Supply, in Montoursville, PA. Their selection of Cal-Scale detail parts is mind boggling, and when visiting there, I usually spend a couple of hours browsing through the pull-out racks of Cal-Scale stuff. There are many items made for brass builders in other countries, specific perhaps to a particular locomotive belonging to a particular railroad. It would be difficult to not find something you need that's suitable.For spoked pilot and trailing truck wheels...
Precision Scale
Wayne
zt1951 Hi all, I know this thread is old, but had to check here. Found the "6000.pdf" on the current Bowser site. It mentions instructions that came with the kit. Anyone still have a copy of these instructions that could be scanned? It would contain the "Det" information as to how to put this together. Thanks.
I have one of these kits. I don't have a scanner, but I can bring it to work next week and scan the instructions. I'll try to get it done this coming week.
Gary
AttuvianWhat is the "6000.pdf" a picture of? That would really help some of us folks.
It's actually 6 pages of parts you can see in Wayne's link
doctorwayneTheir selection of Cal-Scale detail parts is mind boggling,
Henry
COB Potomac & Northern
Shenandoah Valley
garya zt1951 Hi all, I know this thread is old, but had to check here. Found the "6000.pdf" on the current Bowser site. It mentions instructions that came with the kit. Anyone still have a copy of these instructions that could be scanned? It would contain the "Det" information as to how to put this together. Thanks. I have one of these kits. I don't have a scanner, but I can bring it to work next week and scan the instructions. I'll try to get it done this coming week.
John,
Thank you for your offer on the pdf, I have sent a private message with my e-mail and look forward to its receipt.
For general edification, I have spent a bit of time tracking down the individual parts with Lee at Bowser Manufacturing based on the parts list posted there for the kit:
http://www.bowser-trains.com/docs/Cal%20Scale/6000.pdf
The first column in the list below will relate to the numbers in the above drawing and the second is the "current" part number followed with the description. Parts starting with "1-" are Bowser part numbers, "13-" are Cary part numbers and "190-" are Cal Scale.
** This item may not be exactly as the original, but is very close.
Also, the part number at the top of the drawing that is cutoff is "13-146" (Whistle Left Side Mount).
All the remaning parts are as printed on the drawing. Several of these parts are listed as back ordered on the Bowser site or are not listed at all. I supose that MRR shows and ebay will be the only source for these.
Best, Scott