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Making a Dummy Engine

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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 6:02 PM

 Sounds like this is probably one of the ones with the outside bearing trucks? You should eb able to clean it up and make a decent runner out of it. NWSL used to have replacement nickel-silver wheels for those style as well as the more conventional inside bearing trucks.

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Posted by cudaken on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 4:26 PM

 Thank You Jay! Looking forward to getting some more engines on the rails! Still don't think I will power this one, inside of the trucks looks pretty nasty. But you never know, I just might give her a shoot.

     Thanks again Ken

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Posted by modelmaker51 on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 3:33 PM

In the package I sent today, there are 1/2 a dozen motors that ready to go and a few more you can use for parts, I also included some motor mounts, so you shouldn't have any trouble powering up your PA if you want.

Jay 

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Posted by cudaken on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 2:48 PM

R. T. POTEET

 

 ratled:

 

Ken was this a dummy to begin with or a powered unit?

 

Why, pray tell, would he be trying to make a dummy unit out of a dummy unit?

  Laugh

  It was a powered A unit. In fact it is a old Wide Body Athearn. Far as weight, it weights 11 and 5/8 oz with out the motor. So I think I am OK far as the weight. Still has it steel wheels. 

 Never knew you could make the front engine a dummy. If I do anything with it I was going to run it with my Erie Built s and the trailing engine. 

 Thanks for all the answers.

                  Ken

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Posted by cwclark on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 1:35 PM

cudaken

  I have a old Athearn PA that I will more than likely never get a motor for. Besides gutting the trucks of its gears, is there anything else I need to do? I am DCC and want to double check before I start on it.

 

 Like I said, there is no motor to remove, so I think I am safe.

 

                  Cuda Ken

     I would also add some weights to it. Dummy locomotive trucks are great for popping off the tracks if they are too light.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 1:20 PM

I agree with Chuck.  I have a couple of dummy F7s.  I put headlights and a Digitrax sound-only decoder into an A unit.  When you start with one of these older dummies, you've got the power pickups already there and lots of room for a decoder and speaker.  It's easy to route wires for the headlights, too.

Thinking even more out of the box, have you considered a train-cam for a dummy A-unit?  Having the dummy as the lead unit with the powered unit behind works just fine.

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Posted by R. T. POTEET on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 1:12 PM

ratled

Ken was this a dummy to begin with or a powered unit?

Why, pray tell, would he be trying to make a dummy unit out of a dummy unit?

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Posted by tomikawaTT on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 12:46 PM

Howdy, Ken.

 

If you ever intend to run with this PA as the lead unit, it will need an operating headlight - either a 'lights only' decoder or a plug connection to the unit with a normal decoder and wire it as a backup light.  I'm assuming you would run it as an A-A pair with the cabs faced outward.

 

OTOH, if it will only be a trailing unit or engine shop scenery, it doesn't need lights.

 

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Posted by ratled on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 11:49 AM

Ken was this a dummy to begin with or a powered unit?  If it was an old BB dummy from the factory they sometimes they had the same set of trucks front and rear.  This isn't a problem unless you upgrade to metal wheels and it then creates a short through the frame.  You can isolate one of the trucks pretty easily with a Dremel tool.  If you keep the plastic axles or it was once a powered unit this is then moot.

 

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Posted by last mountain & eastern hogger on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 11:23 AM

Whistling

Hi Ken,

One thing I have done in this circumstance, if possible to avoid the axles, place a little weight in the gear cavity of the trucks.  If not there at least add some to the unit on the floor as this really helps in running through turnouts.

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Posted by gandydancer19 on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 10:26 AM

You have it right.  However, if there is any wiring left in it, I would remove it also just to be double safe.

Elmer.

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Making a Dummy Engine
Posted by cudaken on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 10:19 AM

  I have a old Athearn PA that I will more than likely never get a motor for. Besides gutting the trucks of its gears, is there anything else I need to do? I am DCC and want to double check before I start on it.

 

 Like I said, there is no motor to remove, so I think I am safe.

 

                  Cuda Ken

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