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Posted by mononguy63 on Thursday, October 7, 2010 4:31 PM

Boy, nothing gets the ol' blood pumping around here like another really good TK thread...

I wasn't a TK fan for a long time. His emphasis on research and realistic operations was just something in which I had no interest. But after reading his stuff for a while, I came to realize 1) we're both Purdue grads 2) the NKP he's now modeling interchanged with my Monon and 3) many of the locations he describes in his stories are locations I recognize and know, which is pretty cool. Now I can work from the perspective of what I have in common with him instead of what I don't, and as a result I've come to enjoy his columns very much.

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Posted by corsair7 on Friday, October 8, 2010 8:12 AM

mononguy63

Boy, nothing gets the ol' blood pumping around here like another really good TK thread...

I wasn't a TK fan for a long time. His emphasis on research and realistic operations was just something in which I had no interest. But after reading his stuff for a while, I came to realize 1) we're both Purdue grads 2) the NKP he's now modeling interchanged with my Monon and 3) many of the locations he describes in his stories are locations I recognize and know, which is pretty cool. Now I can work from the perspective of what I have in common with him instead of what I don't, and as a result I've come to enjoy his columns very much.

That's the point. Most of us do have soemthing in common with Tony Koester whether we realize it or not. We're all model railroaders. The fact that we may not have the same loyouts or layout skills just means that we are different as well and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that because it makes the world alot more interesting.

Two guys influenced my train hobby. One of them is Tony Koester. The other is Allen McClellsnd snd both of them have one thing in common: They both had large layouts that were desighned for operarions. I have never operated on any layout even though I've dreamed abour it. The reason for that is that I until 2008 I didn't belong to a club. I belong to one now but that club doesn't operate. It's an N-Trak club as is geared tyoward doing displays rather than operating.

I think it's important that we realize that real trains are toys. They provide a necessary service that isn't allways available as cheaply by other means of transportation. So if you want to get the true meaning of what modern freaight transportation is like, you really can't find it in any other way than actually operating your layout. That doesn't mean running you train around an oval of track because that gets old very quickly. Tomy got me to realize that long ago. But what he hasn't done is show how to develop such a model railroad. Indeed no one really has not even John Armstrong.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Friday, October 8, 2010 8:35 AM

Irv,It was Tony Koester and Allen McClelland that got me thinking about a lot of things to include improving my understanding of  designing a believable freelance railroad..I had the general idea from reading articles on short lines in Trains and Model Railroader but,wanted to smooth the rough edges.

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Posted by Randy Stahl on Friday, October 8, 2010 9:02 AM

Backing up a bit ... what exactly must I do in order to get a free A&M car sent to me ?? I'm not a critic of Tonys by any means but perhaps I can fake it ??

 

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Posted by UP 4-12-2 on Friday, October 8, 2010 4:06 PM

I have read Tony's columns on a number of occasions, and while I sometimes disagree with him, they have made for interesting reading, and I would not use this as an opportunity to bash him or his work.

However, after my 37 years in this hobby, and with the time and budget constraints of family and small children at home, I do things differently.  I'm not seeking to emulate the degree of realism Tony's layouts have provided, but am only trying to please myself and the one son who is still into trains.

I do believe, in general, the staff of MR and some related publications is growing more out of touch with some folks in this hobby.  I generally only read MR for the New Product Reviews.  Most of the articles just don't do anything at all for me--they just are not writing about topics or railroads in which I have any interest at all.  I don't need DCC and get tired of hearing about it.

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Posted by jwhitten on Friday, October 8, 2010 5:33 PM

I love reading Tony's columns. I often pull out old editions of MR just to re-read them from time-to-time. Somehow I invariably pull out one that has something relevant to what I'm thinking about or doing, so it just fits right in. I am very glad that Tony writes his column and will happily read them and absorb what I can, each time around! :-)

 

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Posted by PASMITH on Saturday, October 9, 2010 5:49 PM

jwhitten

I love reading Tony's columns. I often pull out old editions of MR just to re-read them from time-to-time. Somehow I invariably pull out one that has something relevant to what I'm thinking about or doing, so it just fits right in. I am very glad that Tony writes his column and will happily read them and absorb what I can, each time around! :-)

 

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The first thing that I read when my MR comes in is Tony's column.  Although there may be a one off article that provides great  technical value or insight , IMO, Tony's column is consistently, the most information rich part  of the magazine.

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Posted by Voltronman on Saturday, October 9, 2010 7:00 PM

It is so funny how I am labeled a TROLL just because I expressed I did not like him.  Just because I did not jump on this LOVE WAGON with the rest of the people I am the OUTCAST.  Whatever!

I am also free to express my personal opinion and I said I do not care for Tony Koester and I am not a fan.  Had I said I did not care for Monsterrailroad everyone would agree with the statement and it would have been totally fine.

As I said He focuses on all old school and old era stuff and what he writes is of NO interest to me.  I also feel that when a newcomer comes on IF he should be a New Yorker and a modern era guy we would see more of it in the magazine and then I would find it to be more of my personal taste.  Tony Koester to me does come off as a MR KNOWITALL kind of model railroader that is given so much praise for it.  Just look at Novembers MR magazine it is AGAIN just like every month full of steam era layouts and it just gets tiring thats all.  Change the game a little bit MR and get a NEW guy in to contribute.

 

now if I am still labeled as a TROLL for saying this, well fine, so be it.

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Posted by CSXDixieLine on Sunday, October 10, 2010 8:51 AM

Oddly enogh, I am not a very big fan of TK's column. It's odd because I am such a huge fan of all his other work. I believe this is because most of his columns seem too philasophical to me rather than practical. That said, I consider his recent book on multi-level layouts to be a bible for my layout, and I have read his article in this month's MR on the steel viaduct at least a dozen times so far. Jamie

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Posted by CNJ831 on Sunday, October 10, 2010 11:00 AM

I lean toward the opinion slant posted by CSX as well. I've met and talked with Tony on a couple of occasions and found him to be a really nice guy. Likewise, I certainly admire his modeling knowledge and abilities. However, while his column years back often offered some really valuable insight into various approaches and aspects of hands-on modeling and layout design, in recent years it has come to take on too much of a flavor of "this month's varied and irrelevant thoughts of Tony K" as the column contains little, if anything, of practical value. Nice reading for the armchair folks, perhaps, but really space that would have been better off devoted to some modeling topic. I really don't care about how Tony feels regarding the trains and Christmases of his youth, or whether two fellas have opposing views on the subject of staging yards (which plenty of people do!). I think that MR has shrunk to far too few pages these days to be devoting space to simply someone's reminisces.

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Posted by Electriccharlie on Sunday, October 10, 2010 12:18 PM

I have never met Mr.K , however, I find his column to be infinitly arrogant in this respect. He assumes that there are certain minimum standards that must be met for the reader to be a 'modeler'.

I shudder at the thought of having to have paperwork to properly run my train. I never visited his former lay-out but the fact that it no longer exists does not make it the watermark that all of us poor un-washed should aspire to.I think his column has contributed more than most to the mental truama suffered by many model railroaders who must now hide their non-conforming ,out of era, or  inacurate to prototype lay-outs for fear of ...what? That a rivit counter will critisize it.

I am sure that the column has advanced the hobby,but at what cost to the underlying point,enjoyment ?

 

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Posted by pastorbob on Sunday, October 10, 2010 7:18 PM

Since I posted the item to begin with, let me say at one time I too thought Tony got a little over the top.  But after all these years, I realized he was simply setting a watermark to shoot at.  He caused me to do a little better than I might have.  There were times I wanted to take the easy way out on a project, but Tony's attitude caused me to re-examine and rethink, and in most cases for the better.

I have been around him several times at NMRA functions and found his dry humor refreshing.  Bottom line, he caused me to raise the bar on my own layout(s) and they were better for it.  One thing some seem to have forgotten, you are under no compulsion to follow his advice.  There is no law that will come to your door and confiscate your layout  because you didn't follow his advice.  No one will repossess your layout and throw you in jail.  One person said they hated all the paperwork.  So do I to some degree, but I have used the desktop on my dispatcher's desk to replace a lot of paper work, and I wouldn't be without the car cards, waybills, etc.  So I choose to thank him for the challenge he gave me over the years.  You of course are not compelled to do anything he suggests.

I do find it small of people to complain about the standards Tony has set when they are either too lazy or just don't care to follow them.  But there are a lot of modelers I know who are also willing to use his ideas and thoughts that fit a need or our layouts.  Thus again, I thank Tony.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Sunday, October 10, 2010 7:52 PM

Bob,

My feelings about Tony and his columns are similar to yours, while I don't always agree, I do respect him, his views and his experiance, even if his experiance is only a little longer/broader than my own.

I have noted before, in similar conversations on here, how anyone who sets high standards for themselves is often seen by some as being a snob, or as expecting everyone to follow those standards. What has happened to our culture that has made achievement and excellence dirty words?

And, Tony does challenge us to do better, and to better define what better is. My definition and his are not the same, but I still have great respect for the work he has done in the hobby.

I have never met him personally, but have corresponded with him by E-mail on several occasions. Once, in fact, to offer him my solution to a problem he was having. His response was friendly and positive and he was completely open to my ideas - which happened to be slighly out of the "main stream".

I read his column every month, not with bated breath, but as part of my normal "absorbing" of each new issue. Sometimes it is good, sometimes I agree, sometimes not so much so. Since I am not a person easily impressed by "celebrity", I see his column as opinion and information, offered up for my review and possable benifit - nothing more, nothing less.

Tony, thank you for your thoughts.

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Posted by jmbjmb on Monday, October 11, 2010 4:20 PM

TA462

 ATLANTIC CENTRAL:

I have noted before, in similar conversations on here, how anyone who sets high standards for themselves is often seen by some as bring a snob, or as expecting everyone to follow those standards. What has happened to our culture that has made achievement and excellence dirty words?

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I couldn't agree more.  I set a very high standard for myself and I don't agree with the close enough or good enough attitude some people have.  You can ALWAYS do better.  I probably got that from building model cars, restoring real cars and entering shows.   I very rarely comment on threads like that because I usually come across as a snob or worse, lol.  

I find these somewhat interesting, in that Allen McClelland, who is highly regarded by most, promoted a "good enough" philosophy for the actual modeling in order to complete the railroad to a reasonable level and operate it.  Likewise, it often seems Tony follows a "good enough" philosophy in the actual modeling (note, no where do I say "poor quality"; his "good enough" is actually very good).   As best I can tell from his written work, the "high standards" are in fact operational goal rather than modeling standards. 

I'm making this point becuase a "high standard" that one must have X scale miles of railroad, running TT&TO operations, with N operators is not a standard.  It is a preference.  And should not be promoted as a minimum standard.  That is what I think the issue people have.  MR, & Tony by  his writings, are promoting a size, cost, and complexity standard that is simply un realistic for most people.  It has created the impression that if you don't have a zillion square feet of railroad, they you aren't a "real" model railroader.   Suppose I wrote that high standards mean every structure must be board by board; every rivet proper for a specific prototype and if you didn't do that, then you weren't a real model railroader.  It would generate the same reaction. 

That is all many of us are saying, that a personal preference is being promoted as the minimum get in and if you don't meet this minimum, then go bass fishing or something.   (Note, I am a bass fisherman and have the same feelings about how pro fishing has created a feeling in many that you must have a $50K boat to be a "reel" (sic) fisherman.)

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Monday, October 11, 2010 5:30 PM

jmbjmb,

You missed the point - the point is "high personal standards for themselves" - not "demanding" that everyone else do the same.

I have a personal set of standards and goals I have set for my modeling, I have considerable experiance and a proven track record working with my hands, with model trains and in other trades/crafts.

If asked, I will discuss my standards and goals and explain why they are important to ME.

Any such statements about those standards and goals will no doubt reflect my belief in their value.

That does not imply that I expect everyone else to agree or to strive for those same standards/goals.

BUT, the insecure, small minded people among us would rather I (or Tony) not voice our goals and standards as it makes them uncomfortable - even if we never said or implied that they should do the same. They assume that just because we voice our preferences, that we are somehow expecting/demanding them from everyone - nonsense! Grow a spine and be comfortable with your own chices in life.

Tony's job is to be a commentator on the hobby and the various directions it takes as it evolves. That job is going to be influenced by his personal choices. His opinion would be of no value if it was not based on personal knowledge and experiance.

I respectfully suggest you CAREFULLY  re-read my previous post - I did not hold Tony or his views up on a pedestal - quite the opposite, I stated how and why I repect his opinion as a peer in this hobby.

As for specific standards, mine are very much out of the norm. Things I consider very important are of no importance to many modelers today. Many things considered "cutting edge" today by most are of no interest to me. Example  - I don't like/want sound in HO or smaller scales - Tony loves it.

And I repeat, why are those who set high goals and standards FOR THEMSELVES seen as being snobs? It is the downfall of our culture to be sure.

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, October 11, 2010 5:39 PM

 If what Allen McLelland built was "good enough" then I want to be "good enough". He didn't mean shoddy, or poorly made. It is more that hsi streets aren;t detailed down to every crack in the sidewalk and newspapers in th gutters. No pigeon dropping decorating the roof of every structure. Stuff liek that. Detailed, realistic, but not super duper detailed.

I'd like to see ONE isntance where Tony has said or hinted that you are somehow less of a modeler if you don;t have a 20x40 basement with 15 or more miles of track and use TT&TO operations - keep in mind the AM did not use TT&TO.

 I'd also suggest that railroads liek the AM, V&O, and Tony's new NKP didn;t just spring up instnatly because they dropped megabucks on the construction. It took YEARS to get there. There are many issues with today's society - instnat gratification is one of those. Sure you cna have a basement empire tomorrow - if you have the money to pay someoen to make it for you. The restof us work up to it over time.

 And the whole idea that model railraoding is an inexpensive hobby - and i know everyone's goign to pop up with things like "well you cna get dirt for free - and make trees out of the weeds you pulled fromt he garden" and all those sort of things, but face it, this hobby is not now nor has EVER been inexpensive. Today you look back and see brass Shays for $20 in the 50's - well friend, $20 in the 50's was a good chunk of change. And current plastic locos are in general better detailed and better running than 50 year old brass. Sure we had a cheap period - all those cheap Tyco, Life-Like, and Bachmann piece of junk from the 70's - which I say did far more harm than good to the hobby as people bought them, ran them til they broke (usually by the next day) and figured if this is what this hobby is all about, I'm done.  I suppose this makes me some sort of elitist - well, I am not wealthy. I cannot just go plunk down whatever cash on somethign I want. I have to plan carefully how I spend my money, expecially in frivolous things like hobbies. I buy carefully, only what I need to fit my plan. I buy cheaply, using eBay and train shows. Still, there's no way I could be where I'm at if I didn;t at least have a decent job. It's a choice - I like model railroading, so that's where I spend whatever 'leftover' money I have. There are other less expensive choices, this is the one I made. It's always about choices. No one is saying you're not a model railroader because your layout is a 4x8. I don't know too many people with huge 30x5 basement empires, but none of the ones I do think I'm less of a modeler because my layout is only 9x15, or that someone with a 4x8 isn't actually in the hobby. I find with only very few exceptions, model railroaders are genuinely nice people who help each other, not ridicule the beginner for making a 4x8 with green grass paper. We all started in palces like that, and over time, being dedicated to this hobby, improved our skills and general life situation to make bigger and better things.

 The one thing that bugs me most, goes along with what Sheldon and others said previously - I just fail to understand why anyone would not always try to better themselves, and put forth less than their best effort at anything. Trying your best doesn't mean perfect the first time out. I don't mean in just your hobby, I mean in general at work, at school, whatever. It's become a vice rather than a virtue these days.

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Monday, October 11, 2010 6:29 PM

rrinker

...all those cheap Tyco, Life-Like, and Bachmann piece of junk from the 70's ...

 

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Hey, I started with Tyco in 1971 and had a lot of fun with it on my first two layouts.  Sure, I moved on to craftsman kits from Central Valley, LaBelle Woodworking, etc plus some scratch building  But it really was Tyco, Atlas, and Model Die Casting that got me going in this hobby.  Even though I'm in S now I still have it all.  And I have fond memories of those early layouts.

As for Tony, how can you get upset with a guy who admits the hobby would have been better off if S and TT were the major scales instead of HO and N?

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, October 11, 2010 9:00 PM

 I had plenty of that too when I started out. Luckily my Dad also has some older die-cast Mantua locos that really ran nice, and we bought some AHM/Rivarossi locos that were also smooth. My Tyco Santa Fe F unit, not so much. It didn't get used much, either.

 As for the scales question, I think he's on to something there. TT would be perfect - bigger then N but smaller than HO. Big enough to detail without using a microscope. Big enough to fit decoders in easily. And no special scale rules needed, any old architect's scale or machinist's rule has 1/10" graduations. Not to mention easy to do the math in your heat. Quick what's 145 inches divided by 87.1? Laugh

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 11, 2010 9:01 PM

Maybe it is just my poor knowledge of the English language, but I never found Tony´s column to be patronizing or snobbish - just thought provoking.

I am still trying to figure out, what an old school modeler is supposed to be, and what modern guys do differently. Will someone please help me with that?

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, October 11, 2010 9:05 PM

Sir Madog

I am still trying to figure out, what an old school modeler is supposed to be, and what modern guys do differently. Will someone please help me with that?

 Me too. It can;t be technique - like using foam and caulk and so forth, because in a recent article Tony mentioned using caulk for his track.

 Maybe he meant modeling modern era vs the 40's and 50's. However, it's still the most popular. In Model Railroader int he 50's, people weren't modeling then current railroads, they were modeling turn of the 20th century - remember all those Central Valley car kits, among others? Seems like there's an almost steady 50 year lag - probably corresponding to the average age of model railroaders, many of whom model their youth.

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Posted by jmbjmb on Monday, October 11, 2010 9:08 PM

So anyone who disagrees with the stated opinion is insecure and small minded?  Or perhaps I should "grow a spine" and NOT express a differing opinion?  Only those who agree can express an opinion?  And who said anyone shouldn't set high standards for themselves?  All I said was one persons preferences should not be considered the standards for another.  If you re-read my posts, you'll see that no where do I consider Tony a "snob."   As I said in an earlier post, I don't agree with everything he says, but his is the first column I read each month.  And no where do I say that Tony says you have to do X, Y, & Z.  What I do take issue with is the 2nd and 3rd level effects where others draw those conclusions and then extend them as a standard for others.

Of course since I have no spine, then I can't express an opinion that differs from the prevailing standard.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Monday, October 11, 2010 9:28 PM

jmbjmb

So anyone who disagrees with the stated opinion is insecure and small minded?  Or perhaps I should "grow a spine" and NOT express a differing opinion?  Only those who agree can express an opinion?  And who said anyone shouldn't set high standards for themselves?  All I said was one persons preferences should not be considered the standards for another.  If you re-read my posts, you'll see that no where do I consider Tony a "snob."   As I said in an earlier post, I don't agree with everything he says, but his is the first column I read each month.  And no where do I say that Tony says you have to do X, Y, & Z.  What I do take issue with is the 2nd and 3rd level effects where others draw those conclusions and then extend them as a standard for others.

Of course since I have no spine, then I can't express an opinion that differs from the prevailing standard.

I agree..I don't always agree with Tony's thoughts-never did and never will but,I still enjoy his column.

Don't take it to heart..I got smashed and bashed one time because I made anti G&D statements and I was given a good thrashing by e-mail because I said every time I see pictures of  F&SM  I 'm reminded of the Popeye movie. .

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Posted by CNJ831 on Monday, October 11, 2010 10:04 PM

rrinker

 Sir Madog:

I am still trying to figure out, what an old school modeler is supposed to be, and what modern guys do differently. Will someone please help me with that?

 

 Me too. It can;t be technique - like using foam and caulk and so forth, because in a recent article Tony mentioned using caulk for his track.

 Maybe he meant modeling modern era vs the 40's and 50's. However, it's still the most popular. In Model Railroader int he 50's, people weren't modeling then current railroads, they were modeling turn of the 20th century - remember all those Central Valley car kits, among others? Seems like there's an almost steady 50 year lag - probably corresponding to the average age of model railroaders, many of whom model their youth.

                                  --Randy

 

Randy, that statement is a bit misleading. I was around in the hobby back in the 50's and the great majority of fellas were modeling either the late steam era, or the then current transition era. The bulk of the popular locos and rollingstock kits of the day were also predominantly for those eras, certainly not the turn of the century. Even in the 50's, the percentage of hobbyists modeling pre WWI was less than 15%, at least according to the MR readers' surveys.

Concerning what constitutes "old school modelers", I'd say that title describes hobbyists who were/are skilled in a very wide range of crafts, ones that were essential to really be a model railroader back in the day. They built whatever was necessary for the layout, often ranging from kit locomotives, down through all their buildings, the freight/passenger cars, hand laid the track, and sometimes even built the power packs. Contrast that with an increasing percentage of today's hobbyists who are at a loss if they can't buy whatever they need RTR from Walthers! I think you get the idea.

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Posted by pastorbob on Monday, October 11, 2010 10:46 PM

CNJ831

 rrinker:

 Sir Madog:

I am still trying to figure out, what an old school modeler is supposed to be, and what modern guys do differently. Will someone please help me with that?

 

 Me too. It can;t be technique - like using foam and caulk and so forth, because in a recent article Tony mentioned using caulk for his track.

 Maybe he meant modeling modern era vs the 40's and 50's. However, it's still the most popular. In Model Railroader int he 50's, people weren't modeling then current railroads, they were modeling turn of the 20th century - remember all those Central Valley car kits, among others? Seems like there's an almost steady 50 year lag - probably corresponding to the average age of model railroaders, many of whom model their youth.

                                  --Randy

 

Randy, that statement is a bit misleading. I was around in the hobby back in the 50's and the great majority of fellas were modeling either the late steam era, or the then current transition era. The bulk of the popular locos and rollingstock kits of the day were also predominantly for those eras, certainly not the turn of the century. Even in the 50's, the percentage of hobbyists modeling pre WWI was less than 15%, at least according to the MR readers' surveys.

Concerning what constitutes "old school modelers", I'd say that title describes hobbyists who were/are skilled in a very wide range of crafts, ones that were essential to really be a model railroader back in the day. They built whatever was necessary for the layout, often ranging from kit locomotives, down through all their buildings, the freight/passenger cars, hand laid the track, and sometimes even built the power packs. Contrast that with an increasing percentage of today's hobbyists who are at a loss if they can't buy whatever they need RTR from Walthers! I think you get the idea.

CNJ831 

Don't always agree with CNJ, but this time I think he is on target with his answer.  At my tender age of 74, I have done all the things he mentioned, many in my younger days, but still do a lot of kit bashing, scenery, track laying with real wood ties, etc.  And since I model Oklahoma in the grain belt on the Santa Fe, I have kitbashed a total of 31 grain elevators over the past few years, mostly starting with the Walthers elevators and going from there.  I am now finished with that project, and my mind and hands want to grab one of the kits off the hobbyshop shelves even now when I walk by, but I curb the urge.

So we all have our weaknesses and strengths, and I like to lean on the strengths I have and fumble with the weaknesses and I enjoy the hobby more than I have a right to.

Good night Tony, wherever you are.

Bob Miller

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Posted by selector on Monday, October 11, 2010 11:04 PM

I object t to the characterization of people who don't aspire to someone else's modelling practices as 'small minded."  Maybe, though, I'm small minded for thinking that...?

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Posted by Kyle_Y on Tuesday, October 12, 2010 12:11 AM

I read it for what it is, an opinion column. I take the thoughts, and suggestions as his, ponder them, keep the ones I like, and move on. Not really a subject I find myself losing sleep over, or keeping a grudge against a guy who does things differently than I.

 

What's TT scale?

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 12, 2010 12:56 AM

Right so, Crandell!

Having a different opinion than one of the gurus of model railroading is an unalienable right, voicing it in an undue manner not.

I am sorry that this discussion has got a touch too personal. It should not have, as it is only detrimental to either side. Where would our hobby be, without the variety of views and opinions?

Let us just be a little more respectful!

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Posted by steinjr on Tuesday, October 12, 2010 1:19 AM

Kyle_Y

I read it for what it is, an opinion column. I take the thoughts, and suggestions as his, ponder them, keep the ones I like, and move on. Not really a subject I find myself losing sleep over, or keeping a grudge against a guy who does things differently than I.

Amen.

 

Kyle_Y

What's TT scale?

TableTop scale - in the US, 1:120 sale. 120" (10 feet) on prototype is 1" in model.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TT_scale

Smile,
Stein

 

 

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Posted by trainnut1250 on Tuesday, October 12, 2010 1:37 AM

I have enjoyed reading Tony's columns over the years.  They are well written and he has a great sense of humor and the absurd.  At times I get the feeling that he's just goofing off with trains and he knows it.   Tony conveys that "what, me worry?" kind of joy/ridiculousness with the hobby that I find some how oddly reassuring.

As for influence, Tony has had a remarkable and positive influence on the hobby.  My layout would look a lot different if I hadn't read Mr. Koester's words.  While there were others in the hobby saying the same things at the same time, Tony was very visible and thus had a big influence.  He helped popularize lots a good ideas in terms of layout design, ops etc..His coal fork extension articles in the 1990's were a big influence on me personally.  The flowing trackwork in those yards was great.

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Posted by corsair7 on Tuesday, October 12, 2010 4:29 AM

Voltronman

It is so funny how I am labeled a TROLL just because I expressed I did not like him.  Just because I did not jump on this LOVE WAGON with the rest of the people I am the OUTCAST.  Whatever!

I am also free to express my personal opinion and I said I do not care for Tony Koester and I am not a fan.  Had I said I did not care for Monsterrailroad everyone would agree with the statement and it would have been totally fine.

As I said He focuses on all old school and old era stuff and what he writes is of NO interest to me.  I also feel that when a newcomer comes on IF he should be a New Yorker and a modern era guy we would see more of it in the magazine and then I would find it to be more of my personal taste.  Tony Koester to me does come off as a MR KNOWITALL kind of model railroader that is given so much praise for it.  Just look at Novembers MR magazine it is AGAIN just like every month full of steam era layouts and it just gets tiring thats all.  Change the game a little bit MR and get a NEW guy in to contribute.

 

now if I am still labeled as a TROLL for saying this, well fine, so be it.

I don't think you are a troll. I just don't agree with you on Tony Koester. Tony has done alot for this hobby and even though you don't like the fact that he does steam railroading rather than modern era stuff, the fact is that once upon a time the only way to model railroad was to do it with steam. It's something that most of us don't have to do in a age when diesels and diesel electrics dominate the railroad scene.  So what. Tony has done it.

Ehrn you have made it into print like Tony has you can put forth your own concepts and thinking. Until that time arrives, I'll enjoy reading Tony's column even if everything he writes about doesn't always apply to the Hudson and Hartford.

Irv

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