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Question about Bachmann 3 Truck Shay
Posted by jwhitten on Saturday, April 3, 2010 4:30 PM

 I have a quick question about the HO-scale Bachmann 3-truck Shay...

I just purchased one "gently used" and it does seem to be in very good shape, no complaints there. And it seems to run reasonably well-- supposedly it has only had a very short run-time to-date (but who really knows, right? :-) I know shays are geared locomotives and designed to have more power over speed-- but it seems like it has a somewhat limited upper end, and it has a slight "growl" when it runs. Not loud, just noticeable. I didn't clock the speed yet-- haven't had a chance yet-- but I'd say its probably 15-20 scale MPH... just a guess.

I've never owned one of these before, nor seen one in real life (the model I mean) so I'm not sure if what I'm seeing/hearing is normal for the loco or if there's a problem of some sort. I know these locos are famous for stripped gears and such. How would I know? Also there could be the possibility of insufficient lubrication-- if it is "brand new with short run time" it may simply be an issue of never having been lubricated out of the box or broken in.

Does anybody have experience with this loco and could offer me some perspective?

Also I know about the NWSL replacement drive train and will probably get around to performing that upgrade sooner or later. 

 

Thanks!

 

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Posted by Darth Santa Fe on Saturday, April 3, 2010 4:43 PM

Is the growl in the lineshaft and axle gears? If so, I wouldn't worry. I have NWSL's replacement gears on mine, and it makes a very faint growl. No signs of gear wear.Smile

If none of the gears are cracked or split, there's no need to get the NWSL upgrade. They have the exact same shape as the Bachmann gears, and run exactly the same. The only difference is that they're made of metal.

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Posted by dstarr on Saturday, April 3, 2010 4:53 PM

 I have a Bachmann shay.  It isn't very fast.

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Posted by cacole on Saturday, April 3, 2010 4:55 PM

The top speed of a real Shay was only in the range of 12-15 MPH, so the Bachmann Shay is geared realistically.  Run it slower than full throttle and the noise will go away.

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Posted by richg1998 on Saturday, April 3, 2010 4:58 PM

 You are most probably at the max speed for a Shay. Below is a link to calculate your loco speed.

The gears would be rotating quite fast and making a lot of noise.There would be a lot of shaking as the cylinders are on one side of the loco.

http://home.cogeco.ca/~trains/rroperat.htm

Try doing a You Tube search for Shay locomotive. You will get many links for protoype Shays in use.

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Posted by Hamltnblue on Saturday, April 3, 2010 5:01 PM

 I had one with sound so I didn't hear the grown. I would suggest you lube the gears some though, including the drive shaft linkages.

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Posted by jwhitten on Saturday, April 3, 2010 8:30 PM

Darth Santa Fe

Is the growl in the lineshaft and axle gears? If so, I wouldn't worry. I have NWSL's replacement gears on mine, and it makes a very faint growl. No signs of gear wear.Smile

If none of the gears are cracked or split, there's no need to get the NWSL upgrade. They have the exact same shape as the Bachmann gears, and run exactly the same. The only difference is that they're made of metal.

 

 

Yes, the growl is in the driveline / lineshaft. I don't think anything is cracked and it sounds about the same under load (pulling a weighted 5 car train).

 

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Posted by jwhitten on Saturday, April 3, 2010 8:31 PM

dstarr

 I have a Bachmann shay.  It isn't very fast.

 

 

Okay, that's good to know-- I don't think it has a problem but I wasn't sure about the little growl. 

Thanks

 

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Posted by jwhitten on Saturday, April 3, 2010 8:34 PM

richg1998

 You are most probably at the max speed for a Shay. Below is a link to calculate your loco speed.

The gears would be rotating quite fast and making a lot of noise.There would be a lot of shaking as the cylinders are on one side of the loco.

http://home.cogeco.ca/~trains/rroperat.htm

Try doing a You Tube search for Shay locomotive. You will get many links for protoype Shays in use.

Rich

 

 

The growl is not very loud, just more than I expected. And as I replied elsewhere, it seems to pull a weighted train okay with no change in performance or noise. It doesn't "shake" at any speed, its actually a very smooth runner, ignoring the growl. And the noise doesn't get much louder-- a little perhaps but not a lot-- at top speed.

That's a good idea to check YouTube, I'll do that. 

 

thanks

 

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Posted by jwhitten on Saturday, April 3, 2010 8:35 PM

Hamltnblue

 I had one with sound so I didn't hear the grown. I would suggest you lube the gears some though, including the drive shaft linkages.

 

 

Any suggestions for lube/grease?

Some lightweight white lithium grease okay?

 

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Posted by Hamltnblue on Saturday, April 3, 2010 9:08 PM

 I would just use a drop of plastic safe oil. Keep it light.

Here's a link to a video of my shay before I sold it.  Loved the little thing but it didn't fit with the rest of the layout.

http://s284.photobucket.com/albums/ll17/hamltnblue/?action=view&current=M4H00466_converted.flv

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Posted by jwhitten on Saturday, April 3, 2010 11:07 PM

Hamltnblue
 I would just use a drop of plastic safe oil. Keep it light.

 

 

Thanks!

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Posted by Hamltnblue on Saturday, April 3, 2010 11:31 PM

 By the way, post some pics of it. Smile

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Posted by jwhitten on Saturday, April 3, 2010 11:33 PM

 Is that the sound system Bachmann includes with the shay or did you install that yourself?

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