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Posted by BATMAN on Thursday, December 20, 2012 5:46 PM

BroadwayLion

The article say's the car toppled over on its maiden voyage! Good to see I'm not the only one that has track laying problems.Laugh

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Thursday, December 20, 2012 4:54 PM

The Route of the Broadway Lion The Largest Subway Layout in North Dakota.

Here there be cats.                                LIONS with CAMERAS

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Posted by Resin Caster on Thursday, December 20, 2012 4:13 PM

In the early 1900's the St Bonaventure university railroad operated on about 300 yards of track. It's primary purpose was to shuttle coal hoppers from the drop-off point to the power plant for the university. When first built, real horsepower was used to move the cars. In the late 1920's a well used 0-4-0 tank engine was purchased to do the work. The interesting story about this is the president of the university was also the president of the railroad. With this title he was able to travel for free on other railroads when needed. He often reciprocated the courtesy to other railroad presidents if they were so inclined to do so.

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Posted by jbu50 on Thursday, December 20, 2012 2:12 PM

I'm a little late on this one but The Talleyrand Terminal Railroad (TTR) in Jacksonville FL, is a two-mile short line freight railroad serving the Jacksonville Port Authority and interchanging with CSX Transportation and Norfolk Southern.
Commodities transported include automobiles, chemicals, intermodal containers, and pulp and paper.
The TTR was acquired by Genesee & Wyoming in 1996.

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Posted by caboose63 on Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:44 AM

a short line that comes to mind is the 21 mile long railroad, Cadillac & Lake City Railway in Michigan's Missaukee and Wexford counties. It ran from Lake City to Sandstown from Sandstown to Falmouth and from Sandstown to connection at Missaukee Jct (north cadillac) with PRR. the freight/tourist shortline ran from 1964 to 1974. Last 4 1/2 miles from missaukee jct to round lake was torn up in 1984. the 4 1/2 miles of track was used for pulpwood and christmas tree loading.

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Posted by Stourbridge Lion on Sunday, February 19, 2012 4:01 PM

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Posted by PiedmontRR on Sunday, February 19, 2012 3:26 PM

I would nominate the first military railroad the Centerville Military Railroad it was only 6 miles long  was built by the CONFEDERACY and operated all but 6 weeks.  It was in Virginia leaving Manassas Junction for the Orange and Alexandria RR on captured B&O property.  

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Posted by estlouisrailfan on Sunday, February 19, 2012 1:02 AM

I Model the East St.Louis JunctionRaillroad, or I should say it is one of a few in my area.It started operations in the 1870's and ceased operations in the 1960's It had.3 miles of main line, and served a 1 square mile area. It was owned by the National Stockyard company and served it and the related industies in the area. It had 0-6-0's, mainly Alco's It dirselized in the 1940's, It have 4 GE 70 tonners and the last engine it bought was a Alco S-1

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Posted by leighant on Tuesday, February 7, 2012 4:41 PM

Someone mentioned the Texas Transportation Company, which ran in San Antonio, Texas, I think as recently as 10 years ago.  It ran past this brewery, which must have been built from a Heljan kit.,

The old brewery has been prototype-size-kitbashed into an art museum.  TTC electric freight line ran right between these parked cars and the front of the building.

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Tuesday, February 7, 2012 1:49 PM

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 One of the shortest I'm aware of was the Hoboken Shore RR, which was under a mile long. It served the industries along the Hoboken waterfront, and started out as the Hoboken Manufacturers Railroad.

  It might be only a mile long as the crow flies but if one measures from the interchange yard entrance (with the Lackawanna) at 16th and Willow, to the last end of the last dock (Port of New York Authority near Sinatra & 1st) the distance is 1.6 miles.

Fascinating little railroad.

A not so short railroad is the Lousiville and Wadley in Georgia.   It connected the textile mills in Lousiville with the Central of Georgia in Wadley.  It was  originally 10 miles long.  A true Petticoat Junction type operation.  Today there is no track to Louisville due to a fire on a trestle that was never repaired/replaced.   The line is only 2 miles long, from Wadley to one industry (don't remember the type).  They have an ex Southern SW1 I believe.   They make their money from their car fleet in interchange pool services.   I actually saw one of there gondolas here at Union Station in Denver a few years ago.

 

 

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Posted by Paul3 on Tuesday, February 7, 2012 11:34 AM

Wow, I don't know how I missed this thread last year...

Anyways, someone mentioned on Page 1 the "Quincy RR" in Massachusetts.  It was actually called the Quincy Bay Terminal Co. (QBT), and it was merely the State contractor operating the State-owned Fore River Railroad (FRR) that operates in the former Fore River Shipyard (closed in 1987).  They lost the contract to the higher bidder, Twin Rivers Technologies (a former Proctor & Gamble plant located onsite) which formed a new operating railroad contractor called "Fore River Transportation Co." (FRVT).  They did hire all the QBT workers who wanted to stay on, which was nice of them.

QBT's roster included S-4 #19, SW9 #20, U23B #21, and B23-7 #22 (which stayed in Conrail blue).  These followed FRR's numbering, with their S-6 #17 and S-4 #18 left on the property (#18 was recently cut up for scrap after suffering a main generator fire 20 years ago, and #17 is down for repairs).  The ex-PRR N-5 caboose #100 on the property is owned by some of the employees, not the RR.

FRVT's roster includes B23-7 #101, B23-7 #102, and GP38 #7750 (Juniata Shop switcher).  They are or have been the single largest customer for CSXT in New England with around 25 loads a day of both fatty acids (a soap product) and fertilizer pellets (made from Boston's Deer Island sludge plant).  Traffic can vary wildly depending on the economic times, however, but 25 a day was the norm at one time.

There are some cool websites for anyone who cares to look:

http://www.mwra.state.ma.us/03sewer/html/railroad.htm - Official State Website

http://www.forerivershipyard.com/historylong.php - History of the Fore River Shipyard

http://www.capecodrails.com/cccx/cccx062.jpg - QBT #19 after being transferred to Hyannis.  The solid brass bell isn't missing, it was removed for safekeeping while it was in transit.  How do I know?  Because I'm the one that helped removed both it and the airhorn (out of site on Engineer's side).  I was working for Cape Cod Central at the time, and the owner of QBT and CCC was the same.

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Posted by Jamis on Tuesday, February 7, 2012 10:19 AM

It's probably not the shortest short line, but it did have plenty of operation for its size.  It was called the Toledo, Angola & Western, but I don't think it ever reached Angola IN and didn't get outside of the county.  I remember seeing it operate in the mid 1960s, as it ran behind my dormitory at UofT.  There was an interchange yard behind the dorm with the NYC and a littler further on, there was another interchange with the Toledo Terminal RR that ran around the city and interchanged with all of the railroads in the area.  In the 60's, it ran at least one train per day from the end in Silica, OH to the interchange tracks.  There was an interlocking tower that controlled access to both interchange yards and the crossing of the NYC and TTRR roads.  There is a web site devoted to the line at:

http://taw101.home.comcast.net/~taw101/indexold.htm

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Tuesday, February 7, 2012 10:13 AM

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How about the Brooklyn Dock & Terminal Ry.? Plenty of operations in a space best measured not in miles, but in yards. And that coal dock grade is something else!

 

That does look a little steep!

 

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Posted by Steven Otte on Tuesday, February 7, 2012 10:03 AM

How about the Brooklyn Dock & Terminal Ry.? Plenty of operations in a space best measured not in miles, but in yards. And that coal dock grade is something else!

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 7, 2012 9:34 AM

Nice video, Barry!

Equal to that line is the Chiemsee-Bahn (Lake Chiem Railway) in Bavaria, connecting Prien Train Station with the ferry dock on the lake. Total length, is 1.91 km. The line was opened in 1887 and still operates daily, using the equipment bought in the opening year. Nice to see a 125 year old loco still in operation on a regular schedule.

Chiemsee-Bahn video

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Posted by blownout cylinder on Tuesday, February 7, 2012 9:20 AM

watch?v=rUzOUcLEHhU

The Portage Flyer....1 and 1/8th mile.....

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Posted by UncBob on Tuesday, February 7, 2012 8:56 AM

Strasburg RR in SE PA

Still in existence --From Strasburg to Paradise --RD Trip about 9 miles

 

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Posted by CadizRRfan on Tuesday, February 7, 2012 4:05 AM

Your question begs for the definition of a shortline railroad.  Back in the early  1900's, to be refered to as a railroad, there had to be at least 10 miles of track. 

The shortest railroad that fit that bill was the Cadiz railroad, which went from Cadiz, Kentucky to Gracey, Kentucky.

This link http://westernkyhistory.org/trigg/rr.html  will give you a story written about the Cadiz, but this is quoted from it;

Across the tobacco fields and grazing lands, Gracey is no more than eight miles away from the Trigg county seat but, back in 1901 when the line was organized, a company had to have more than 10 miles of tracks to be classified officially as a railroad. So William Cleland White, the founder, constructed two extra miles of curves to get the line over the 10-mile-long minimum. He didn't want anyone to say that Cadiz didn't have a railroad.

I had the opportunity to walk part of the old right of way with Stan White, grandson of the founder and last president of the RR. 

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Posted by analog kid on Saturday, April 3, 2010 9:25 PM

I think i win. As far as i've seen, nobody has mentioned the Vatican. The Vatican has its own shortline, something like a thousand feet long, with no rolling stock of its own. It only has six turnouts, one of which isn't fully in the "country" (i hesistate to say country, cause i'm not sure that's how you address the Vatican). Pretty neat, actually, and yes, it is a operating railroad.

'Bout half way down: http://www.carendt.us/scrapbook/page93a/index.html 

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Posted by Mr Fixit on Saturday, April 3, 2010 7:19 PM

Brent,

You could try checking out the Effingham Railroad, Effingham, Illinois, [EFRR.com] which is a shortline I am currently researching and starting to model. It is about 4 miles long and interchanges with both CSX and CN to provide cheaper switching services for various businesses in the railpark and surrounding area. The main business served is Total Quality Warehouse [TQW.com] which uses a rail spur through the warehouse to provide unloading and warehouse/distribution services to many varied businesses making it a "universal industry". TQW also provides open air transload facilities for a bio-fuel dealer as well as other on demand customers. EFRR also serves Hodgson Mill which produces stone ground flour and cereal mixes. Mid Illinois Concrete receives unit rock trains from CSX for unloading by EFRR at their stockpile plant. EFRR also has railcar storage facilites which are currently being used to store covered hoppers used by a now bankrupt ethanol producer.

The real kicker is that the line also served a Krispy Kreme Production and Distribution Plant.

Yes folks, a shortline with its own donut factory. 

The EFRR commenced operations in 1999 and uses two locomotives; EFRR 2716 [SW1200] and later joined by sister road Illinois Western 7570 [GP10] and in the decade of operation have handled over 15,000 railcars.

The railroad runs alongside CN Effingham yard and the CN/CSX interchange track and siding, which could provide more modelling/operating possibilites.

Check out the following websites; EFRR.com, TQW.com, Agracel.com [project portfolio] and CN.com [shortline partners]. Google Map TQW and you will be able to see the trackplan.

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Posted by borg48124 on Saturday, April 3, 2010 2:50 PM

The Pioneer & Fayette Railroad.  Pioneer, Ohio.  About 1,000 feet of track.  connected to the Wabash.  Had a Plymouth with a Buick engine in it.

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Posted by gregc on Saturday, April 3, 2010 10:56 AM

how about an active railroad, the Morristown & Erie with a 10.5 mile mainline in northern NJ.   There's also good write-up in wikipedia, Morristown and Erie Railway.

But if you go back to the 1800's, I'd bet there were many small railroads, such as the Millstone and New Brunswick, now an unused branch of what was the PRR, as early investors attempted to make their fortunes.   At least in New Jersey, it appears that most of the well known fallen flags were actually a collection of these smaller short lines.   see  List of New Jersey railroads.

 

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Posted by EM-1 on Friday, April 2, 2010 9:17 PM

 Not sure if this RR fits the bill, but the Cedar Point and Lake Erie RR at the Cedar Point amusement park in Sandusky, Ohio has a very unprototypical closed loop RR that has two stations, is served by three real steam locos, still apparently uses link and pin couplers, seems to actually use coal in the locos, and has been claime to be the ride that carries more people in a day in a park that is noted for the size, number, and variety of it's roller coasters.  And I believe it's narrow gauge to boot.  Current roster shows a pair of Vulcain 2-4-0, a Porter 2-4-0s, and a Plymouth B diesel kitbashed to resemble an 0-4-0T.  They run two trains of about 5 or 6 open excursion cars at a time.  They run 7 days a week from the time the park opens around 10 AM to closing around 11 or 12 PM during the summer season.

It's definitely an operating ateam passenger shot line RR

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Posted by chuckles on Friday, April 2, 2010 9:03 PM

how about the Manufacturers Junction Railway in Cicero,IL, on the east end of the Burlington

yard in Cicero,IL.  It originally served the Western Electric plant (Bell System) for many years.

It is a mile long at best, right on the western edge of Chicago.

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Posted by Procrastinator on Friday, April 2, 2010 3:54 PM

The Sand Springs Railway (reporting mark SS) is a class III railroad operating in Oklahoma.

It provides freight rail service between Sand Springs and Tulsa over a 32 mile route. The company primarily hauls steel, pulp, scrap iron, scrap paper, petroleum products, plastic, and lumber. It interchanges with the Union Pacific Railroad, BNSF Railway and the South Kansas Oklahoma Railroad.

The SS was incorporated on February 6, 1911 and was opened west from Tulsa to Sand Springs on 8.6 miles of track that May. The railroad was powered by electricity until 1955 when it discontinued passenger service and changed over to diesel locomotives.

http://www.trainweb.org/southwestshorts/ss.html 

And check out some other shortlines here: http://www.trainweb.org/southwestshorts/home.html  

 

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Posted by Doughless on Friday, April 2, 2010 3:36 PM

Redore

Minnesota, Dakota, and Western in International Falls MN.  Motive power is Alco switchers and new to the railroad ex UP hammerhead SW's.

Redore:

Very Timely.  Occasionally I search Railpictures for recent shots of old Alcos.  IA recent search produced this:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=317989&nseq=2

Looks like they are active and profitable, judging from the condition of their shop.

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Posted by Redore on Friday, April 2, 2010 11:49 AM

Minnesota, Dakota, and Western in International Falls MN.  This railroad basically connects the Boise paper mill to the CN tracks at Ranier and the former BN tracks in I Falls.  Besides hauling paper boxes, pulpwood, covered hoppers, and tank cars from and to CN, it also shuttled wood from the wood yard to the mill and shuttled cars across the border / river to a facility owned by the same company in Ft Francis Ontario.

A link to Google Maps of the area:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=International+Falls+MN&sll=48.60168,-93.399163&sspn=0.00354,0.009624&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=International+Falls,+Koochiching,+Minnesota&ll=48.596138,-93.401985&spn=0.056197,0.15398&t=h&z=13

Motive power is Alco switchers and new to the railroad ex UP hammerhead SW's.

Total milage is about 5 miles along.

Also you might consider the Duluth and Northeastern in Cloquet MN.  It mainly handles switching for the former Potlatch, now Sappi paper mill off of BNSF.  It once interchanged with DMIR, GN, and NP, as well as going way out into the woods as a logging railroad.  Current milage is about 3 miles.  Motive power is currently SW's, including an SW1, they ran steam until 1965.

 

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Posted by bigduke76 on Friday, April 2, 2010 4:32 AM

 back in the late 1940's, there were 2 shortlines listed in the official guide as common carriers less than 1 mile long; the Valley RR in pennsylvania, and the Virginia Central, a 1-mile remnant of a 35-mile route.  the Valley was shorter but was mostly an in-plant switching line.  incidentally the san luis valley central still exists, complete with home-made locomotive, but as a busy junkyard spur, not a common carrier.  -big duke

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Posted by cicsos2 on Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:42 AM

 In August, 1954 the Santa Fe donated an steam engine and tender, #1108, to the city of Ardmore, Ok.  It had to be moved 3/4 mile - from the nearest rail line to its final location.  Temporary tracks were laid, the engine and tender moved, then the tracks were taken up from behind and placed in front and the process repeated.  The crews worked 24 hours a day for three days to complete the job. 

So, was this really a "short line"?  It certainly was short in terms of distance as well as time "lived".  Since it only carried one engine and tender, it was also short in service.  My grandfather was the Santa Fe Agent in Ardmore, Ok at that time.  I have all of the pictures that were made during the move.  His is in the foreground of the picture on the right side.

Moving Number 1108 

Cheers, Bill M.

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