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What is the benefit?
Posted by broseberry on Saturday, January 30, 2010 2:11 PM

After reading many track laying how-to books and many model railroader magazines, I have noticed that many modelers lay track differently. I have noticed that there are modelers that lay track directly on top of plywood with no cork or foam roadbed. I am aware of a sound difference, using cork or foam is quieter, but is there a benefit to laying track directly on to plywood?

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Posted by cowman on Saturday, January 30, 2010 2:36 PM

Using cork or other roadbed on plywood makes your layout look more prototypical, real trains run on tracks that are usually above the surrounding terrain.  Such places as yards, where travel is slower you will find things much more on the level.  Many modelers lower their track for sidings and yards with the main line up on a roadbed.  I believe looks is the primary reason for raising it.  If you are using foam it is quite easy to make below track elevation scenery, however, if you can also have your subroadbed (plywood) on risers and can do below track scenery.  To me that seems like a little more work, but it has worked well for many years.

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Posted by selector on Saturday, January 30, 2010 2:38 PM

Hello.  Yes, there is less work (if that is important for some reason), less cost in that you probably won't be purchasing roadbed cork or whatever....certainly you won't have to cut and form splines.  The part that many of us wouldn't accept is that the typical railroad track is raised for drainage, and that means a proper sub-roadbed preparation, roadbed, and then the tracks, later ballasted to look like raised, drained, and ballasted tracks. 

Depending on the method of fixing the track elements to the plywood or cookie-cutter shaped wood roadbed, it may be noisier...probably so.  If you use a thin layer of acrylic latex caulk to stick the track elements into place directly on the wood, that will help to reduce the noise.

However, for yards and sidings, they are often much closer set to the ground, even in the mud since they are not travelled at high speeds.  Also, for safety, the sidings are kept lower than the mains running beside them so that free-rolling cars can't roll through the turnouts at either end and foul the main.

Does that help?

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Posted by TomDiehl on Saturday, January 30, 2010 2:45 PM

The other place you'll see track laid directly on plywood is track that will be hidden, especially where vertical clearance is an issue.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:33 PM

broseberry

After reading many track laying how-to books and many model railroader magazines, I have noticed that many modelers lay track differently. I have noticed that there are modelers that lay track directly on top of plywood with no cork or foam roadbed. I am aware of a sound difference, using cork or foam is quieter, but is there a benefit to laying track directly on to plywood?

 

We have been condition to believe we need to use cork or foam roadbed but,this isn't exactly true in some cases.

 

There's another side of the coin that is quite often overlooked and that is the type of track we want to model..

And seeing track is a model to here is some examples:

Modeling a urban industrial branch there will be very little raised roadbed like you would see on a main line..

A small yard area wouldn't have any raised roadbed.

Tracks going into a industry,around loading/unloading areas wouldn't have raised roadbed.

Around engine service areas,engine houses,team tracks etc.

One one can lay track directly on the plywood/board-and I've done that several times- I think its better if we use homasote or foam insulation sheets on top of the plywood/board..

BTW..The color of the ballast should be dark gray or better mixed with dirt and grass and lightly applied.

Once can mixed dark gray ballast with cinders,dirt and grass as well.

Larry

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:47 PM

BRAKIE

There's another side of the coin that is quite often overlooked and that is the type of track we want to model..

And seeing track is a model to here is some examples:

Modeling a urban industrial branch there will be very little raised roadbed like you would see on a main line..

A small yard area wouldn't have any raised roadbed.

Tracks going into a industry,around loading/unloading areas wouldn't have raised roadbed.

Around engine service areas,engine houses,team tracks etc.

 

And on small shortlines too...the track on my layout that was "recently rebuilt" has roadbed, but the track that has "been in disrepair since we bought the line from Guilford in 1983" is laid right on the foam and is built to look like it's in bad shape.

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:01 PM

In addition to being cheaper, it's quicker and easier to lay and wire the track.  This was covered in one of the MRP issues as minimalist model railroading.  If you're not particularly interested in scenery and want to try out different types of layouts and operations, it's an approach that may work well for you. 

Enjoy

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Posted by Javern on Saturday, January 30, 2010 9:43 PM

 In my experience track  on the 2" foam seemed  much noisier compared to track on the foam roadbed glued to  plywood was nice and quiet. The noise seems to bug me I guess

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Posted by Left Coast Rail on Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29 AM
The club I belong to uses 1/2" Homasote glued to 3/4" plywood sheets. We use Homabed for the mains. It is very easy to spike track to this stuff. Here is a recent thread on the subject.
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Posted by tomikawaTT on Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:59 AM

The major benefit of layered subroadbed, roadbed and track is noise reduction.  Either plywood or unsupported foam can resonate like a drumhead if used alone.  The two together, or either with any of the other materials named (and some not named, like steel studs laid rail gutter fashion to support hidden tangent track) will suppress the unwanted noise so you can get the full benefit of locomotive sound (or the clickety-clack of wheels passing over rail joints.)

My own 'mix' is:

  • Sub-roadbed, either fairly thin cookie-cut plywood or steel (the aforementioned studs.)
  • Roadbed, fan-fold underlayment (9mm extruded foam, comes in a 2' x 4' bundle that unfolds to a 4' x 50' 'carpet.')  carved as necessary to represent mainline ballast or (uncarved) level areas like yards and passenger stations.
  • Track template, thin cardstock cut to the exact form of the desired track geometry, to the ends of the ties.  Think cereal box material.  I put mine on top of the roadbed, held down with latex caulk, then use it to assure positive alignment of curves, transitions and specialwork.
  • Flex track, and hand-laid specialwork on wood ties caulked to the cardstock.

Some (most) of my locomotives have open-frame power-hog motors and noisy brass-on-brass gearing.  Running on my present layout, they're a lot easier to live with.  The few newer locos with can motors and nylon gears approach stealth in noise production.

Hope this has been helpful.

Chuck (Modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)

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Posted by broseberry on Tuesday, February 2, 2010 1:19 PM

Thank you to everyone who replied. The replies I have read have been very helpful. Thank you.

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Posted by tgindy on Tuesday, February 2, 2010 4:13 PM

See the 8th page, of 22 pages with tons of pictures, of Building a Traction Layout at the 2 Guyz & Sum Trains Forums.

Sometimes in a traction layout, there is no prototype need for a high roadbed profile where there's is an extensive need for rock-solid anchoring of overhead poles plus a ton of turnout attachment concerns.  Foam is used here only for scenic-carving.  Also note the use of plaster for street trackage/rail paving, or as a foam/cover base, for this interurban layout.

Conemaugh Road & Traction circa 1956

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