Broadway Limited Imports 3751 4-8-4?

[AggroJones]

Whats up with these engines? I've been waiting, and waiting, and then they finally come out , and mine is factory painted gray! Whats the deal? I've seen actual photos of these models that didn't come from BLI, and they appeared to be black. The one shiped to me is GRAY. Is this a production mistake? Or were the first production units painted gray, then all after that painted black, and I just happen to recieve an early made unit?
Anyone else seen these units painted gray?

This is a terrible let down. [V]

[Anonymous]

I'm in shock you even have yours!! I haven't seen hide nor hair of mine! bummer....

[atsf118]

Yes, they really are gray. I seen three at my local hobby shop. It would look good on a UP loco but not on a ATSF. Engine tender overall gray but drivers a nice black color. Bad enough that I didnot get one.

[Anonymous]

OK so now I'm worried! Who in there right mind would have sent this loco out painted grey w/ black drivers?? Has anyone contacted BLI yet??? I just heard that mine won't ship until tomorrow or Thursday.

Did the Santa Fe EVER paint this loco grey?????????

[AggroJones]

I don't recall ever seeing a Santa Fe 4-8-4 gray. Plus BLI's model is supposed to be 3751 as she looks today, which is black! What were they smokin' when they came up with "gray 3751"!

[Anonymous]

????????????????

Ya see what you get when you let a foreign country make your products, BLI?!

Maybe most of the workers over there are colorblind or something, so they just thought they were painting them black?????!!!!!!

??!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?

[cacole]

Oops! I just ordered one from Tony's Train Exchange today. Not 3751, though -- they are all sold out, so I am going to get a different number. Hopefully they aren't ALL gray.

[Anonymous]

Guys...here is a link to a eBay auction. I can't decide whether it's grey or black, but to me the drivers definately are darker than the rest of the model.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&category=484&item=5901129341&rd=1

what do you think?

[Anonymous]

I have had mine for a week. The locomotive isn't grey -- it is very close to Floquil Grimy Black. Makes the detail show up much better and there is less weathering to do on the locomotive. Wi***hey'd finish all the locos like this.

It is also the best running of the BWI locomotives right out of the box that I have purchased so far. And the whistle is the most realistic I have heard yet. I run on DCC. Doesn't run as well on straight DC.

[AggroJones]

But, it is supposed to be BLACK. "As she looks today". 3751 is glossy BLACK. Not medium gray.

[LuthierTom]

"Doesn't run as well on straight DC."

duncattle, I had the same problem with my BLI A 2-6-6-4 until I reprogrammed the start and max voltages to better match my power pack. That made a HUGE difference.

LT

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by duncattle

I have had mine for a week. The locomotive isn't grey -- it is very close to Floquil Grimy Black. Makes the detail show up much better and there is less weathering to do on the locomotive. Wi***hey'd finish all the locos like this.

It is also the best running of the BWI locomotives right out of the box that I have purchased so far. And the whistle is the most realistic I have heard yet. I run on DCC. Doesn't run as well on straight DC.

How many BLI locos have you bought?

If my budget would let me, I'd have quite a few BLI engines myself.

[atsf118]

Glad somebody is happy with it. If enough of you settle for good enough maybe they will do a second run in black. I hope they don't decide to weather the F7's in pink and gray.

[Anonymous]

No kidding atsf118!!! I don't think mine will stay around very long...I'm VERY disappointed in this...I LOVE my E7's, but come on!!! Grey with black drivers!!?? Give me a break BLI!!!!

[Anonymous]

they look good in the catolog but the thing is the price

[Anonymous]

Though my locomotive wasdelivered in grey -- grimey black -- whatever --, the drivers on mine are totally black. They look strange next to the rest of the locomotive.

And for whoever it was that asked, this is my fourth BWI locomotive, and to be honest, I'm still not sure if I am happy with them. Two have had to be returned to BWI for repairs.

[atsf118]

look at www.walthers.com under arrived in may and locomotives. anybody seen a ATSF northern thats looks that good. starting to wonder if there really are any black ones out there. all t he ones i've seen are gray.

[Anonymous]

The 3751 is very close to Floquil Grimy Black., except for the drivers and the tender chassis, which are black. A little weathering will make them look good, but the three puffs per rev of the drivers is not great., or correct. Up to now the other engines have been correct and BLI had a reputation for doing things right. We have contacted BLI and their management is not too happy with the response from customers about the product. I am still happy with mine, and will replace the sound unit if necessary. It still is a good value in today's market of brass overpriced engines.

[Anonymous]

I have had one interesting experience with my 3755. I installed the high stack and since it can't be lowered like on the prototype, I have had to redo about four of the tunnel portals on the railroad. So be sure to check your clearances before adding this stack

[sundayniagara]

I only briefly glanced at mine, which appeared to be black. I'll take a 2nd look and report back.
Mark

[newhavenguy]

see my post on "News Flash". This explaines the black gray issue a little.

[Anonymous]

Got my 3751 last week: Okay the paint is something between darkgrey and lightblack!

I have the DVD "ABOVE 3751 OVER CAJON"! In the DVD are scenes filmed in the Redondo Roundhuse in LA. The camera was only some feet away from the engine.

The 3751 today is glossy black and the lettering is white - The model is lettered silver!

This model is 100 % not the SBHS 3751. When you read the description, you will see that the model will show 3751 between the 40`and ???? Or its the SBHS 3751 after a long run through the desert! 3751 in the MOJAVE WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because of this the three different stacks are included - today the 3751 has only the simple stack.
I installed the higher stack because I don´t like this stupid hole in the boiler !!!!

RESUME: The 3751 is a cheap (only the QSI electronic costs 189 $ !!!!) and well detailed engine.
And the model shows the 3751 in the AT&SF years!
I use my model in fron of a AT&SF excursion train with a BNSF GE Dash9 as helper!
Looks good and funny!

[Anonymous]

bangert1 mentioned that the 3 puff per rev of the drivers is incorrect. My question is what is correct, and can they fix it? If they do fix it, will it only be on a second run or will they be able to retrofit existing units?

[Anonymous]

I have talked to the BLI technical people and they have sent both the Santa Fe engine and the new J1 PRR to QSI to find out what can be done. The J1 has the same puffing type problem. The problem is being worked on, but there is no answer as of today. They believed the problem came up when the builder used a slightly different motor compared to their prototype version. I installed a M1b tender on the Santa Fe engine for a test, and the puffing sound works correctly, so it is just a matter of the software. How that will be implemented and when is anyone's guess.

[Anonymous]

In the day of steam on the ATSF, their locos weren't a true black as on today's 3751. The color of the model is closer to accurate. The 3751 is painted with an epoxy based paint that is actually black. The original letter was silver not white, although the ATSF experimented with white for lettering and numbers, but was only applied to several steam engines.
Ch

[Don Gibson]

QUOTE: Originally posted by bigboy4015

Got my 3751 last week: Okay the paint is something between darkgrey and lightblack!

Paint 'greys' over time as exposed to the elements. 3751's restoration is with 'fresh paint'

QUOTE: The 3751 today is glossy black and the lettering is white - The model is lettered silver!

The model should be correct. Santa Fe used silver.Sometime sunlit Silver' can photograph 'white' due to overexposure .

QUOTE: Because of this the three different stacks are included - today the 3751 has only the simple stack.I installed the higher stack because I don´t like this stupid hole in the boiler !!!!

That's OK.. Santa Fe used all 3.

QUOTE: I use my model in fron of a AT&SF excursion train with a BNSF GE Dash9 as helper! Looks good and funny!

... As opposed to "Stupid"? (Don't try to run both at the same time on DC..)

[Anonymous]

QUOTE:

QUOTE: I use my model in fron of a AT&SF excursion train with a BNSF GE Dash9 as helper! Looks good and funny!

... As opposed to "Stupid"? (Don't try to run both at the same time on DC..)

A Heritage II GE Dash 9 runs behind the 3751 when made that run from LA to the Railfair in Sacramento in 1999 (?). You will see this on DVD "ABOVE 3751 ON CAJON PASS".

I run both at the same time on DC !
You can programming the QSI decoder also in DC! So I reduced the starting power and the momentum of 3751 to a voltage, similar to the Dash 9. Both run near identical!

I know that all the three stacks were used on 3751 at different times.
I use the, today not correct, adjustable stack because I like this and the hole in the boiler, visible when the two other stacks a installed is closed.

[Anonymous]

Looking at the BLI SF 4-8-4's at my LHS,they appear to be on the gray side of black, but black ,none the less. This is one sweet looking,and sounding steamer. Hopefully there's one with my name on it, in the near future.