Steam powered 0-1-2 !!!???

[Anonymous]

A friend sent me a link to some "Remarkable forms of public transport" . Would you believe a steam powered 0-1-2 ? How about a electric steam engine? Then there is the twin steam engine!
[8D] (click on highlited words)

[Anonymous]

ok.................

[Anonymous]

The twin steam engine came from many companies, and I have seen a large variety in operation even up until 1920s or so. especially in Austrailia (I think).

Now check THIS out. this did run, and is well documented. it is the Brennan Monorail.......and operated on Gyroscopes.....
http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/brennan/brennan22.jpg

[Anonymous]

Um, wierd..................

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by trainheartedguy

Now check THIS out. this did run, and is well documented. it is the Brennan Monorail.......and operated on Gyroscopes.....
http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/brennan/brennan22.jpg

[(-D] (L.O.L.) Yea, I read that the gyro wasn't reliable and it would tip over! I can't imagine being inside the cab driving that thing when it tiped over, let alone ride on the back of it.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by trainheartedguy

The twin steam engine came from many companies, and I have seen a large variety in operation even up until 1920s or so. especially in Austrailia (I think).

Now check THIS out. this did run, and is well documented. it is the Brennan Monorail.......and operated on Gyroscopes.....
http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/brennan/brennan22.jpg

HOLY[censored]

[Anonymous]

Technically it's an 1-1-1, the rear whells are in line, not parallel. There were many electric steamers made, mostly in the urban NE for city running. As for the double headed one, there were many strange attempts like this.

Interesting pics not the less.

Jay

[EL PARRo]

QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboy

Um, wierd..................

My thoughts, exactly.

[Vampire]

All right, who'll be first to build a working model of THAT??? [:D]

[Anonymous]

The twin steamer design is still in use on the Ffestiniog Railway in North Wales (A former slate-carrying narrow-gauge line that's stayed open as a tourist line). They built a new one in their own workshops fairly recently - theirs are to the "Farlie" design (single Farlies were used on NY elevated trains in the early days, the Ffestinog uses double Farlies) http://www.festrail.co.uk/locos.htm has info on these locos - look under "Farlie"

[Jetrock]

The electric steamer is interesting...it reminds me of the 44-ton GE diesels that Pacific Electric used, which had trolley poles installed to activate PE's pole-activated signals!

[Anonymous]

There have been various steam-powered monorails. Here are some pictures:




The above photos come from http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/locoloco.htm , a very excellent website all about weird steam locomotives.

There actually is a steam monorail still operating today, the Patiala State Monorail Tramway train, which runs at the National Railway Museum of India.

[cacole]

Does it really run on only one rail? How does it keep it's balance and not tip over? I thought the contraption had been mislabeled and should be called a 0-2-4, but it looks like there really is only one rail under it, making it an 0-1-2.

Never mind -- I looked at the picture again and saw the rail above the locomotive that holds it up. But what about that monorail in India? It must have outrigger wheels under the back that are not visible and mabe uses car tires instead of rail wheels?

It seems that building the track for the 0-1-2 to run on would cost more than a conventional locomotive with the extra overhead rail that it needs to hold it up.

[Anonymous]

This would be a great new gizmo for Lionel to produce. Make it like a tricycle. The single wheel would need a flange on both sides, but the rear wheels could be standard issue with flanges on the inside of the wheel only. Think about the possibilities. Put a gargantuan motor on the thing, give it a short wheelbase, and endow it with magne-traction. The mechanism would need a flint running against some type of rotating stone so sparks would come out the stack and maybe even from underneath. What a show in a dark room. And they could make a passenger car to go behind this contraption. It could have two wheels nearest the 0-1-2 and a single wheel on the rear. Talk about genuine late 50's Lionel. Maybe even stick a rotating clown on the top of the whole mess. Yes, oh balls, yes. And put a vibrating floor in the car so it can work like the automatic cattle car did, only this one will have miniature people going in and out of it. Joshua, why didn't you build this one? It would be a classic just like the rocket flatcar, the automatic milk car, the searchlite car, the aquarium car, ad nauseum.

Tom

[chutton01]

QUOTE: Originally posted by cacole

Never mind -- I looked at the picture again and saw the rail above the locomotive that holds it up. But what about that monorail in India? It must have outrigger wheels under the back that are not visible and mabe uses car tires instead of rail wheels?

What's funny is that the rubber wheel is visible in the pictures provided above (look to the left in the top picture - it's a fairly large standard car tire under a blue fender which runs on a concrete path parallel to the rail)
From a website regarding the Indian 'monorail' tramway, which used the Ewing System:

QUOTE: The Ewing System solved the problem by being not quite a monorail- most of the load went on the single ground-level rail, using double-flanged wheels, but some 4 or 5% of the weight was carried on a road wheel that stopped it tipping over. The small amount of load on the road presumably did not detract much from the low rolling resistance of the steel wheel-steel rail interface.
The road wheel would take exactly the same path each time, and on the unsurfaced roads of the day this must have tended to wear a groove; quite possibly the PSTM had a tendency to lean towards its road wheel. At least this would have been in the direction of increased stability. W J Ewing was a British inventor; he seems to have abandoned his attempts to patent the concept.

[chutton01]

Since I had a little time to explore the "LocoLoco" section in the link given above, I found this:

http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/LOCOLOCO/swisselec/swisselc.htm

True Electric Steam locomotives, which used electricity to heat up water and create steam (the Electric Steam locomotive mentioned earlier simply used the Electricity for auxiliary power such as lights, heat, etc.). The reason given was that Switzerland was short on coal during WWII (but had plenty of hydro-electric to power its lines), and since it had many small coal-powered steam switchers, it converted some to use electricity to generate steam.
Fairly interesting...