Looks like it's time to move this one along...
Tom
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blownout cylinderdon7I am surprised that this bashing session of BLI which is full of speculation has not been locked, or even had this thread deleted. And you seem to post vents about others venting--- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
don7I am surprised that this bashing session of BLI which is full of speculation has not been locked, or even had this thread deleted.
And you seem to post vents about others venting---
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I agree....Like the Pot calling the kettle black LOL!
csmith9474My guess would be that Kalmbach sold our e-mail addresses to them
I can't speak for all but I have NEVER received an email from any company relating to the hobby. Though I do get spam. Less and less now that I use Mail Washer.
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The situation here is a 'normal' one I think. The only problem is that they seem to have a lot of differing ways to sell their wares----much like some bigger retail outlets have differing prices on catalogues and websites than what they have in their stores---and I'm thinking in terms of non MRR related places--
Communication is a good thing I think
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don7I am surprised that this bashing session of BLI which is full of speculation has not been locked, or even had this thread deleted. The thread looks like it is to advise the readers of a sale, but instead is really another bashing session by the poster who has also done this in the past and will likely continue to do so in the future.
I am surprised that this bashing session of BLI which is full of speculation has not been locked, or even had this thread deleted.
The thread looks like it is to advise the readers of a sale, but instead is really another bashing session by the poster who has also done this in the past and will likely continue to do so in the future.
Don
I personally don't see it as bashing, but going over some of the past things that have happened with BLI and their dealers. I now have over fifty of their sound models and like every one of those engines, but some have had issues and some were really cheap in price.
I hope my thoughts have not been bashing as much as reporting my perspective with the BLI products over the past eight years. I like the products and have the future brass hybrids on reservations along with the 1953 SP Daylight train. I expect that set of cars to be very good overall since I have the first run set of the California Zephyr and hope BLI can keep everything going in the future. I do realize the price I pay for the first brass hybrids will be higher than the final sales of that product, but I don't want to miss out on the Q2 and the UP 4-12-2.
CZ
The Moderators are even helping the thread along. Go figure.
MisterBeasleyThis particular sale is limited to Hudsons only. That makes me think that this sale is strictly based on production exceeding demand for this model.
It is true this last sale is limited to the Hudson, but if you check their in house stock, it is almost completely gone. That would lend me to believe they are doing what they can to raise money and the Hudson being the last recent locomotive into their stock, would be the only major ones to blow out. We will see if the California Zephyr cars or the latest N scales show up on the list any time soon.
ATLANTIC CENTRALMost likely not true. Factory Direct Trains is technically a seperate company. When they have a "factory authorized" sale, at least on paper, FDT get them cheaper from BLI.
Joe at FDT is a relative of Bob/BLI and they seem to be the right arm for blowing out many of the items. When I purchased my PCM Big Boy's from Joe, they were shipped directly from BLI in Florida. This is the case for many of the large sales that have taken place. The PCM F units also were shipped from Florida, but I purchased them from Joe at FDT. That is because the units were in the stock at BLI since most of the distributors would not stock them after the first and second round of blow out sales. I know Trainworld seems to be stocking the BLI products in a fairly large amount, but they are the ones that recently blew out the NYC Brass Hybird Mohawks for $225.
One LHS near me, a very large and old established LHS, that has many of the first and second run of BLI models on hand, but will not do business any longer with BLI. This was due to the fact that their stock is full price and BLI sold off their stock to the public at less than half price. That left the dealer stuck with his stock and even at the 40% discount, he could not unload the stock.
CSX RobertDriline ATLANTIC CENTRALI read the post, sounded like a statement of known facts and the posters opinion about those facts. What name was anyone called? None. At least no poster here anyway that I could see... In the rule regarding personal attacks and name-calling, I don't see that it says anywhere that this only applies to personal attacks and name-calling directed at other posters.
Driline ATLANTIC CENTRALI read the post, sounded like a statement of known facts and the posters opinion about those facts. What name was anyone called? None. At least no poster here anyway that I could see...
ATLANTIC CENTRALI read the post, sounded like a statement of known facts and the posters opinion about those facts. What name was anyone called?
None. At least no poster here anyway that I could see...
Nobody's listening to you
I'm a kind of conflixed fellow here----I thought these same people were going to pre order sales. And these sales keep popping up-----huh?
Maybe someone is in firesale mode-----are sales as solid as claimed?
CAZEPHYRBLI has to hold the extra models in reserve since LHS will not stock them and when money is tight, BLI blows them out with big discounts. They actually get more money for this sale than the discounting the models to distributed.
Most likely not true. Factory Direct Trains is technically a seperate company. When they have a "factory authorized" sale, at least on paper, FDT get them cheaper from BLI.
I purchased a N&W Class A on one of the first such sales years ago through Standard Hobby Supply. Even though I paid Standard Hobby, my loco was shipped directly from BLI. The price was well below the known wholesale, and I'm sure Standard Hobby was not loosing money, so BLI ate the price reduction. They sold those locos to me for less than my LHS would have paid to special order it if he had chosen to be a dealer.
Why would anyone buy anything that is not a neccessity of life knowing that is 3-6 months the price will be cut by another 25%? You may like being treated that way, but I simply won't be.
Sheldon
trainsBuddyI don't understand this dumping of inventory either. The review for this unit came out just a couple of months ago in MR, and now it's closing out. I'm fairly new to the hobby, but I've never seen any kind of products available in such limited releases and certainly with such high price swing.
It all comes down to money and the need to generate CASH. They have done this type of blow out several times in the past six or seven years. After the first and second round of blow out sales, most LHS stopped stocking the BLI line. The two local LHS that I live near will not purchase from them unless they have an order with cash in hand. Since that seems to be the practice and attitude for many of the LHS in America, BLI has to hold the extra models in reserve since LHS will not stock them and when money is tight, BLI blows them out with big discounts. They actually get more money for this sale than the discounting the models to distributed.
I think this thread is getting sidetracked rather fast.
I think what ticked off admins was remark that "someone with brains" should take over BLI and MTH tooling. I would rather see offending post removed rather than the whole thread locked. It's not like anyone here actually knows the details of BLI and MTH dealings, let's move on.
Now continue talking about crazy BLI discounts and quality of Paragon 2 steam
csmith9474Didn't BLI do the same thing by using photos of brass cars imported by CLI when they first announced the Daylight cars?
Yes, it is a practice that most companies use, but when they do that, I expect the models to be equal to or close to that example. They could use the prototype and that would be acceptable. We would equate the future model to their past performance. If those products were poor, we would skip the new products. ln the case of BLI, the Zephyr cars would tend to make me believe the new Daylight cars would be very good, but mistakes can happen.
When I examine how good the MTH locomotives have been , I expect the new cars to cut some corners but be acceptable. I don't know what corners will be cut or what will be changed, but the MTH GS6 and the GS4 both have 77' size drivers. It turns out this is not correct for either locomotive but was a convenient way of sharing the drive system. The MTH UP 4-12-2 has 64" scale drivers and the real on has 67". The sand dome on the 4-12-2 is not correct for any era. I have books that show vitually every 4-12-2 and none had that dome.
The left hand side of the upper headlight nose on the MTH Model GS4 should not have that large flat spot. Who knows why that happened.
When you actually look at the details, there is a difference.
I still have high hopes the Passenger cars will be acceptable.
Driline ATLANTIC CENTRALI read the post, sounded like a statement of known facts and the posters opinion about those facts. What name was anyone called? None. At least no poster here anyway that I could see...
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ATLANTIC CENTRALI read the post, sounded like a statement of known facts and the posters opinion about those facts. What name was anyone called?Â
Driline ATLANTIC CENTRALI read the post, sounded like a statement of known facts and the posters opinion about those facts. What name was anyone called? None. At least no poster here anyway that I could see. My guess is that they believed the thread ran its course and closed it.
None. At least no poster here anyway that I could see. My guess is that they believed the thread ran its course and closed it.
I think that your assessment is true. If there was something along that line of insults and such a comment would have been made regarding such.
Sometimes they just close it---
ATLANTIC CENTRALWhat name was anyone called?Â
ATLANTIC CENTRALI didn't know that a lucid, careful, polite, professional discription of a persons know public behavior would be considered a "personal attack" or "name calling"
The fact of the matter is that he is technically incompetent and not an entirely successful decision maker. He is also pathologically competitive, a consummate egotist and a sore loser.
CSX RobertATLANTIC CENTRALI guess discussing the bad behavior of MR advertisers is taboo, since the BLI - MTH thread is now locked... Did you read the next to last post in that thread? Clearly a violation of the forum rule "No personal attacks or name-calling."
ATLANTIC CENTRALI guess discussing the bad behavior of MR advertisers is taboo, since the BLI - MTH thread is now locked...
I read the post, sounded like a statement of known facts and the posters opinion about those facts. What name was anyone called?
I didn't know that a lucid, careful, polite, professional discription of a persons know public behavior would be considered a "personal attack" or "name calling", even if those obvious facts are unflattering.
I've read a lot worse on here, some directed at me, sometimes they get locked, sometimes not.
dti406 CAZEPHYR AS for MTH products, I have the MTH N&W passenger set reserved after I viewed the pictures. If they don't look like the advertised pictures, I am sending them back. CZ Please note the pictures MTH has shown of the N&W and NYC Passenger cars were proven to be all of previous brass imports and not any of their own work. Rick
CAZEPHYR AS for MTH products, I have the MTH N&W passenger set reserved after I viewed the pictures. If they don't look like the advertised pictures, I am sending them back. CZ
AS for MTH products, I have the MTH N&W passenger set reserved after I viewed the pictures. If they don't look like the advertised pictures, I am sending them back.
Please note the pictures MTH has shown of the N&W and NYC Passenger cars were proven to be all of previous brass imports and not any of their own work.
Rick
Didn't BLI do the same thing by using photos of brass cars imported by CLI when they first announced the Daylight cars?
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I'm surprised MTH hasn't announced that it is bringing a very nice Pennsy Q2 to the market (checks BLI's delivery schedule....) in November. Serously, though, will we see that model from BLI?
-Crandell
P.S.- RT, here it is, halfway down page 2 at the time of posting this:
http://cs.trains.com/trccs/forums/t/161867.aspx
ATLANTIC CENTRAL, something apparently sailed past me in the dark and I don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about. I sense, however, that MTH has found some reason for bringing a suit against BLI for something-or-another. This guy is litigation crazy! One of these days he's going to lose and when he does he is going to get smacked so hard that his head will ring for months.
There is some controversy about the quality of MTH's offering as there is similiar controversy about BLI's. I am reminded of that old ballyhoo about "If you can't dazzle'em with brilliance baffle'em with BS"
My curiousity, by-the-way, has now been tweeked; can someone provide me with the title of the posting that has now, apparently, been locked, or at least the forum name of the original poster?
From the far, far reaches of the wild, wild west I am: rtpoteet
This particular sale is limited to Hudsons only. That makes me think that this sale is strictly based on production exceeding demand for this model.
There is another possibility, though. They may be coming out with a different model in a few months, possibly with a different sound system, or maybe without a smoke box. Once the newer model hits the streets, demand for the older one would dry up, so they're moving them now before announcing the new one.
Question - is this one of the models that has a sound decoder but no motor decoder? Again, if they are planning to come out with the same engine equipped with a motor decoder as well, that would devalue the current inventory.
I like my Hudson, by the way. All other things being equal, this is probably a chance to get a nice engine for a good price.
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ATLANTIC CENTRALI for one will NEVER buy another BLI product unless the price is in that 40-50% off range. But look at the bright side Ken, I will never buy an MTH product, period. Sheldo
I for one will NEVER buy another BLI product unless the price is in that 40-50% off range. But look at the bright side Ken, I will never buy an MTH product, period.
Sheldo
I feel the same way about purchasing any BLI products early since history has proven that the BLI big blow out sales will happen on most of their models if you wait. The only problem with this approach is some items do sell out and if you really wanted it, you missed it.
What to do??
Robt. LivingstonIf you really want to be authentic, avoid any locomotive that was not in ralifan service in 1995, or couldn't have been because they are all gone, extinct, scrapped. That would include the NYC Hudsons.
If you really want to be authentic, avoid any locomotive that was not in ralifan service in 1995, or couldn't have been because they are all gone, extinct, scrapped. That would include the NYC Hudsons.
For $200 I choose not to be authentic