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Posted by cordon on Sunday, August 30, 2009 3:01 PM

Smile

SteamFreak wrote:

"There are hair bands made by Goody you can find at any Wal-Mart that are more like a stretchy vinyl, and don't rot like traditional rubber bands. I've had some on an old Budd car for a long time without any deterioration."

I'm headed to Wal-Mart right now to look for the Goody stretchy vinyl bands for my Athearn Budd RDC and Athearn F3.

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Posted by SteamFreak on Sunday, August 30, 2009 3:05 PM

 See if you can locate the clear ones. I've since swapped the purple bands for clear (which are a little more flexible), but the purple was dark enough that it didn't show through the RDC windows.

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:53 PM

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As Moriarity (Gavin MacLeod) said to Oddball (Donald Sutherland) in 1944 France, "it's a piece of junk."

Yeah, but I would love to have a fleet of those Tiger's right now, and a few Panzer IV's too.

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Posted by cordon on Monday, August 31, 2009 1:59 AM

Smile

I have a package of the clear Goody hair bands.  Installed four of the medium size on the RDC and had to stretch them to get a reasonable tension.  They seem to work so far.  Now I have to clean and lube the squeaking bearings and re-connect a broken wire.

And then on to the F3.

Thank you, SteamFreak, for the tip.

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, August 31, 2009 5:58 AM

Texas Zepher

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As Moriarity (Gavin MacLeod) said to Oddball (Donald Sutherland) in 1944 France, "it's a piece of junk."

Yeah, but I would love to have a fleet of those Tiger's right now, and a few Panzer IV's too.

 See those really WERE pieces of junk - they weren't Tigers at all, but Soviet T-34's painted to look like Tigers. The Shermans were real - they were still in use by the Yugoslavian Army at the time!

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Posted by wwn on Monday, August 31, 2009 2:48 PM

I have three of the rubber band drives from the early 60's.  The bands are fairly easy to install.  These models still work well.

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, August 31, 2009 5:00 PM

 Hallmark of Irv Athean's design - simple, rugged, and reliable. Simple enough to maintain and be low cost, rugged enough to be suitable for younger modelers as well as experienced ones, and reliable enough to just keep running year after year, instead of breaking down within a couple of weeks and causing the prospective model rail to loose interest in the hobby.

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Posted by farrellaa on Saturday, January 30, 2010 9:37 AM

Kevin,

I have been trying to find a way to put a gear drive in my Athearn Hustlers and the Ersnt set is no longer made, nor is the Accurate Lighting unit. Can you post or send me any photos of how you used the 4 wheel Athearn truck gear set? I would love to get these little critters to run better and slower. Thanks,

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Posted by cudaken on Tuesday, February 2, 2010 9:43 AM

 This was a fun one to read. I have just recivied a rubber band drive Bud car. Looks to have been re motored and it hauls.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Tuesday, February 2, 2010 10:21 AM

Yes, fresh rubber bands and some new dilithium crystals, and those belt-drive Athearns would travel at about Warp 8.  They are actually fast enough to launch themselves off the tracks on curves.

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Tuesday, February 2, 2010 12:17 PM

rrinker
Texas Zepher
Yeah, but I would love to have a fleet of those Tiger's right now, and a few Panzer IV's too.
 See those really WERE pieces of junk - they weren't Tigers at all, but Soviet T-34's painted to look like Tigers. The Shermans were real - they were still in use by the Yugoslavian Army at the time!

Exactly, If one had a fleet of the real things all the Hollywood studios would be be busting the doors down every time they wanted to do a WWII movie.  Same applies for ME-109s, Zeros, Corsairs, etc.... 

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Posted by mikeGTW on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 11:11 AM

I know this is an old subject but I had a neighbor give me some box of rr stuff and there are these two engines in the box  They appear to be athearn  but not sure  any guesses

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 11:23 AM

That my friend is an Athearn Hi-F drive F7B. Low speed = warp 6. High speed = see low speed. As pulling locos they're virtually worthless and forget about running them on any track smaller than code 100. If you can get hold of a modern Athearn F7 chassis the body will fit on it with only minor modifications. I did it with a HI-F F7B Southern Pacific Black Widow. If you don't want it let me know. We may be able to work something out.

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Posted by mikeGTW on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 11:29 AM

that's what I thought  untill I opened it up   I have a few of the old athearn ones some where in a box  I cannot find info on this one anywhere

 

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 11:36 AM

Yep. That's definitely an Athearn Hi-F loco. Type 'Athearn Hi-F F7' into your Google search bar and you'll get a lot of hits.

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Posted by SteamFreak on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 11:47 AM

Mike, that B unit has an aftermarket motor with reduction gearing to give it more realistic performance, but I don't know who made the kit.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 11:52 AM

That doesn't look like the original motor and drive mechanism.  I'd guess this one was re-motored.  Notice the gear arrangement.  The originals had a direct coupling from the motor to the horizontal shaft, using a piece of rubber tubing to hold them together.  The drive shaft looks a lot thicker than I remember, too.  The gear arrangement would greatly reduce the speed of the engine, although the thicker drive shaft would increase it a bit.

The ones I remember were from the late 1950s.  It may be that Athearn changed the design a bit in later years.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 11:55 AM

I believe it was Ernst that made the gear tower kit for the Hi-F locos. They're still out there here and there. Ebay is a good place to look.

 

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The ones I remember were from the late 1950s.  It may be that Athearn changed the design a bit in later years.

That would be about right. The Hi-F drive was first released in 1956 I believe. In 1958 Athearn started making HO trains for Lionel. Many of the pieces made for Lionel looked exactly like Athearn's own line with the exception of a circled L. The production for Lionel ceased in the early 60's.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 2:02 PM

As you look through this you'll see some things that are familiar. Hi-F drives were used from mid 1950s to the early 1960s. Found this on the Tyco forum.

The early F7A Hi-F had the truck frames insulated. There had to be a wire from each side to the motor for power. The shaft supports were held on to the chassis with the truck mounting screws.

 

This second Variation has a new style motor with redesigned trucks. The wiring is simplified to only one wire to the motor, using ground from the trucks to the chassis.

 

Third variation. Same as the second except the shafts had flex joints on the motor and the shaft could be lifted off the supports.

 

An early drive with flywheels added. The performance didn't improve much.

 

Drive with a Kemtron motor assembly. Note the gear box with much thicker shafts. It didn't need the shaft supports. It ran smooth with flat sided drive belts.


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Posted by 7j43k on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 3:07 PM

mikeGTW

that's what I thought  untill I opened it up   I have a few of the old athearn ones some where in a box  I cannot find info on this one anywhere

 

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To me, that looks like a product made by Pittman as a "drop in" replacement for the standard drive.  Well, drop in after you cut off the shaft support towers and guarantee that you'll never go back to the standard drive (that's what slowed my purchase WAY down).  The review in "Model Trains" mentioned a 4 to 1 gear reduction, but that the increased shaft diameter changed the overall correction compared to the standard drive  in a 2 to 1 manner.

Back in the day, Athearn's F's and GP's cost around $6-$8.  I imagine the Pittman replacement was that much or more--there went the train budget.

Glad to see there's some still around.  Retrospectively, I wish I'd bought a couple.

 

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Posted by mikeGTW on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 5:17 PM

I have all those that Jeffrey shows the pictures of   so I think it must be the Kemtron upgrade  if you want to call it that     I got 2 a units and the b unit in the box   all the same moters in them   just had never seen this one in the last 50 yrs of being in this   there were two nos tyco engines and about 20 old yellow box Athearn cars     Some old atlas brass switches  the kit ones you have to put together

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 5:21 PM

That's a good haul for the cars. What are you going to do with the locos?

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Posted by gmcrail on Thursday, August 11, 2011 12:02 AM

SteamFreak

Mike, that B unit has an aftermarket motor with reduction gearing to give it more realistic performance, but I don't know who made the kit.

The reduction drive was made by Pittman.  I had one back in about 1961.  They actually did a decent job of taming the Hi-F units down to where they were useable.   They hauled well and were not too much noisier than the original drive setup.  You did have to add a bit of weight to the frame or the roof of the unit...

 

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Posted by modelmaker51 on Thursday, August 11, 2011 1:36 AM

There are re-gearing kits available from Earnst Gearing to convert the old rubber band drives,

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Posted by 7j43k on Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:51 AM

modelmaker51

There are re-gearing kits available from Earnst Gearing to convert the old rubber band drives,

 

I'd sure like to see one.

 

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Posted by Frisco1521 on Thursday, August 11, 2011 1:20 PM

what is the point of rubber band drives when you could have a regular drive shaft

 

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Posted by SteamFreak on Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:03 PM

It looks like the kit for the RDC is still available through Walthers, but the one for the Hustler has been discontinued. I don't know if Ernst is still in production.

 

7j43k

 

 modelmaker51:

 

There are re-gearing kits available from Earnst Gearing to convert the old rubber band drives,

 

 

 

I'd sure like to see one.

 

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Posted by tgindy on Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:26 PM

As I remember, gum bands on the Athearn drives, broke on a regular basis.  Gum band replacements were much easier to find once you got your teeth braces.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Saturday, August 13, 2011 10:17 PM

Frisco1521

what is the point of rubber band drives when you could have a regular drive shaft

Back when they were making these, Athearn produced both gear-drive and belt-drive models of F7s and GP9s.  I had both models of each engine.  As I recall, the gear-drive engines cost more and were really noisy.  I suspect that Athearn was really trying to produce models that teenagers on small allowances could afford.

Those gear-drive engines, by the way, have been retired and sit in boxes under my layout.  They just don't run anymore, and the effort to rebuild them isn't worth it, considering how well today's models run and look.  The belt-drives, however, were very easy to convert to dummy engines, and make excellent shells for adding a sound-only decoder.

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Sunday, August 14, 2011 12:50 PM

Frisco1521
what is the point of rubber band drives when you could have a regular drive shaft

That is easy - Price.  The difference of a few dollars was a big deal back then.  Generally people did not have the liquid income to spend on trains that is available today.  

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