jrbernierWhy model winter - it's about -15 below zero right now, and another 3"-5" of snow is on the way tonight. I am staying inside and and work on my trains. Jim in Minnesnowta....
Shoot, you live in Rochester...thats like Florida compared to Duluth..
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I seem to recall a few years back where someone used baking soda to simulate snow, the photos were very convincing. After he took the shots he vacumed it up.
TheK4Kid I hate winter!This is why I model the summertime!TheK4Kid
I hate winter!This is why I model the summertime!
TheK4Kid
The MR article by Lou Sassi about the 4'x8' layout with snow one side was the December 1992 issue. It had a great snow scene on one side with a frozen pond and a nice autumn scene on the other side with a small town. I have been thinking of building this layout in N scale. Has anyone built this layout and have photos, or does MR have more photos they can share?
Michael Patrylo
In northern NJ (NYC suburbs) snow stays white for about 3 minutes!!! Seriously, the sides of the streets start "graying" as soon as the plows start plowing. Within a day or two, you have to look in someone's back yard to see white snow - unless the family pet has made it yellow!!
Mikelhh thanks for the Heki stock number
P Carrel. How long does real snow stay white? I reckon that most of you will have a much better idea of the answer than I have... you get a lot more snow than I do. Then again I think that there's a lot of interest to be found in all the colours and things that happen to the appearance of snow ... e.g. wheel tracks and slush...
You might want to read the 2 or three articles written by Rand Hood in Model Railroader. It included how to show melting snow, snow between the rails, ice in streams, etc.
Hope this helps
618lover - I simply work in 1 to 2 foot sections, apply a liberal amount of white gloss latex (c'mon, most everyone has a half a can laying around) and spread the FloraCraft snow onto the wet surface. Then I pour some clear crystal glitter in my palm, and blow, or "wisp" it across the surface. When the paint dries, your snow is complete.
WSOR3801 - I'll trade you "offices"...
My office window some nights.
I would rather not model it.
I think Rand Hood had some articles on modeling winter as well. Might be worth looking into.
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Hi Fifedog my name is earl and i have some questions, if i go permanitly with snow, how do you hold the snow down on layout and what are some different snows that i can buy, i like the idea of the dollar store snow and the one that you have in your message i think its neet to build a snow layout makes everything look fresh, but here in ohio there calling for 2 too 4 inches plus its -20 below at this time, so right now i'm building my second layout, and there are some great pictures in this thread. Do you add glitter to the snow or does some snow have it already in it. Thanks Earl
While I can appreciate the modeling of winter and the challenges it provides, I look out the window and see snow. I don't want to look at my layout and see the same thing. I can't avoid it outside but I can avoid it on the layout.
Modeling the N&W freelanced at the height of their steam era in HO.
Daniel G.
pcarrell - I use Flora-Craft winter snow (found at dollar stores for a buck a bag!!!) It's bright white fine granules are spread onto wet white gloss latex, and then some crystal glitter is wisped acrossed the scene. Been down for 5-6 years, and hasn't changed color.
The best snowscape on a layout (as opposed to just a diorama) that I ever recall seeing was on a section of Bill Henderson's Coal Belt RR. The layout, along with occasional Trackside Photo appearances, can be found in MR in the late 1980's. The layout was also the subject of one of the Allen Keller videos. The snow scene itself depicted the first light snow of the season and was very convincingly done. Unfortunately, the layout is no more.
CNJ831
Dave the train - the product number for Heki glitter snow is Nr. 3343 [Shneeglitzer] You could always crush it a bit if you wanted something finer like frost, for example. You've got me thinking now!
This is mostly the glitter snow with just a few puffs of the Micro Balloons where the snow is thicker. PVA glue got onto some of the grasses by accident, but I like it.
Mike
Modelling the UK in 00, and New England - MEC, B&M, D&H and Guilford - in H0
Modeling BNSF and Milwaukee Road in SW Wisconsin
When I looked into doing snow, the thing that was a major deterrant was the upkeep. How to keep the white snow, white?
I like these pictures of light snow so much I'm quoting the post to repeat them. ... [er... don't know what happened to the quotes...]
I've seen quite a few deep snow layouts which can be impressive but I think that the level of detail required for a dusting of snow or very hard frost is much more demanding. I'm intrigued by the components of the snow. Some glitter would certainly seem to be needed for frost. Does anyone know if I could get these products or similar in the UK? (Trying to ship any "chemicals" is murder now).
citylimits - My CONNELLSVILLE SUBDIVISION is perpetually in snow, but my CUMBERLAND EXTENSION got the late fall treatment. Reasoning was that from late October through Turkey-Day, you can travel from the Potomac Highlands to Sandpatch and experience both climates. In the summer time, my basement actually becomes a cool (pun inteded) place to watch trains.
citylimits...I wonder if modeled snow is a permanant fixture on any layout. Bruce
Both. I've seen a permanent layout (I believe in Florida--maybe Cypress Gardens) that had an area with snow. I also know of modelers that use "fake snow" and vacuum it from the layout.
I've never actually experienced snow first hand - just as shown on TV and in magazines. For this reason and not to break any trends I have enjoyed the snow featured layouts in several editions of Mr over the years - this post is enjoyable in the same vein. The question I have asked myself when seeing these season specific layouts is, "does the snow remain a permanant feature of the layout or is it removed at some point and the layout continue on with the next season or a state of being that is at least without this white powder dusting?"
One winter layout in MR from, I believe the 1990's, was completely covered in snow and it looked interesting because of its novelty value - perhaps because of my own experience in a snowless environment, I wonder if modeled snow is a permanant fixture on any layout.
Bruce
I happen to model late fall in the Alleghany Mountains, and I set my time frame about 1976.
Here are a couple of angles of Cumberland, MD.
...and another spot at Meyersdale, PA...
Jan. 2008 issue of Model Railroader has a piece on Eric Brooman's layout - "Fighting Winter on the Utah Belt". Nice pics in there.
P&Slocal Will have to check it out. I recall in an old issue of MRR a pic of someones layout with winter scenes involving the Hoosic River (I think). Guess the next time I go back home I'll have to dig the boxes of MRR old of storage.
Will have to check it out. I recall in an old issue of MRR a pic of someones layout with winter scenes involving the Hoosic River (I think). Guess the next time I go back home I'll have to dig the boxes of MRR old of storage.
That would probably be Lou Sassi's Berkshire Division of the New Haven RR, which appeared in Model Railroader magazine for December 1992. Only half of the layout was set in winter, the remainder being done as autumn. I still regard this as the finest small project layout that MR ever featured.
I would add that a much extended and more detailed version of this layout project, revised to an all summer setting, was re-issued as Kalmbach's A Realistic HO Layout For Beginners in 1998.
Nice layout, Mike! Excellent job.
Some very nice model work there!
I think the hardest thing about making a convincing winter scene is dealing with the (1:1 scale) dust. Grey or brown snow might have been realistic in the Rust Belt during the transition era, but it won't be very convincing if the modeled scene is supposed to be fifty kilometers from the nearest source of coal smoke.
There's a long-bearded story from a half-century ago, that John Allen wanted to try a snow scene on the G&D. He carefully sifted some bleached flour onto the area to be photographed, then took the photos he had planned. Then he vacuumed it up. Seems his birds had started to fly south...
Chuck (Modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - too early for snow)
Here's an outstanding example of early winter/no snow scenery...
Ed Kapuscinski's Conrail 12/85
And a shot of one my trains on his layout...
Lee
Route of the Alpha Jets www.wmrywesternlines.net
Thanks Crandell. There's a little bit of snow dust on the water that stayed put after I tried to brush it away, so I've left it there.
Haven't heard of shinny before. I'll research it
Wow, Mike, I think I could see myself skating on the ice...or is it water still...looks glassy and ready for shinny (a type of hockey). Very credible vegetation...very nice touch!
-Crandell
My layout is set in New England in winter.
I don't want heavy snow. Snow is a mix of Heki Glitter snow and some weird stuff called Micro Balloons which is an extender for epoxies. It works well as snow, but it's very lightweight and takes getting used to because until you're used to it, it's a bit tricky to glue down. The Heki Glitter snow needs [in my opinion] something like the Micro Balloons or Woodland Scenics snow [which I have just acquired] mixed with it.
Although it's hard work making loads of bare trees [loads still to do] it's fun adding the snow.