CN Rail

[CP5415]

No problem Andrew!
The Air Canada/Canadian merger was one business transaction that I followed on a semi-regular basis just out of curiousity.

Gordon

[Anonymous]

Gordon,

Thanks for the correction re: Canadian Airlines.

Andrew

[CP5415]

Canadian Airlines didn't go under, they were bought out by Air Canada after Jerry Schwartz tried to buy both airlines together & merge them.

Gordon

[Anonymous]

Canadian National is already a big player in the US. They are really the only "North American" road, with trackage and trackage rights from Canada to Mexico.

For a better (and more correct) version of how they came into being, please refer to www.cn.ca and check the history section. In a nutshell, CN was formed by the Canadian government as competition to CPR, which was driving many of the smaller, and not so small players to bankruptcy. It was first organized as Canadian Government Railways, then CN as GT, CNor, and many other roads were added. All this occurred from about the end of WWI into the 1920s. CN was privatized some years ago, and has remained extremely successful.

Andrew

Note: CP Air was actually an airLINE, not an airPLANE company, that became Canadian AIrlines, then went under.

[Anonymous]

"Inside every GE is an Alco trying to get out...apparently, through the exhaust stack!"

Now that in itself is worth a laugh!

CP merges with the SOO line, Cn plays no part with Soo, although oocasioanlly you may See "SOO" cars on CN track...

[BentnoseWillie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ddexterr

I think most of you guys better start subscribing to "Trains" mag. and keep up with what's going on in 12" scale.
CN is a U.S., based international corperation and you seem to have missed that they are into Mexico, too

Uh, no. CN is based in Montreal, although the current president is the former president of IC. Senior management still tends to come from the positions' respective country of responsibility - US management are Americans, Canadian management are Canadians. That said, the majority of shares in CN are held in the US. What a shock - the US is where the capital is. I'd be surprised if the same couldn't be said of CP stock. It's not as if these railroads are going to be moved to the US, they're just owned by shareholders there.

As for Mexico, I have no idea what you are referring to, unless it's KCS' operations into Mexico, and their service agreements with CN/IC. That allows direct access to Mexico for traffic off of CN, but it's controlled by KCS.

Frankly, I couldn't care less who owns CN, as long as the railway thrives, and that's what it's doing.

[CP5415]

CN according to Canadian Law will only be allowed to be based in Canada.
This was the reason why the merger between CN & BNSF was going to be based in Montreal, not Texas.

Gordon

[Anonymous]

I think most of you guys better start subscribing to "Trains" mag. and keep up with what's going on in 12" scale.
CN is a U.S., based international corperation and you seem to have missed that they are into Mexico, too

"Ole and bravo...CNR all the way, eh!.

[CP5415]

Good thing the Canadian taxpayers bailed out all those RR's early in the last century then forming what is now CN & then spent countless billions supporting it over the last 90 years of the 20th century.

Gordon

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by deschane

I think CN owns the old Soo Line, also. When I was a kid, growing up in Bloomington MN, a shortline operated to the south of Minneapolis. This line was called the Minneapolis, Northfield and Southern. I always considered this to be my home RR. I believe, CN owns what remains of this line also. As with everything now, I have concerns that in 10 years there will only be one railroad and we will all shop at Walmart!

I love KevinstheRRman's Warning!! [(-D]

no CP owns it as far as i know

[Anonymous]

I think CN owns the old Soo Line, also. When I was a kid, growing up in Bloomington MN, a shortline operated to the south of Minneapolis. This line was called the Minneapolis, Northfield and Southern. I always considered this to be my home RR. I believe, CN owns what remains of this line also. As with everything now, I have concerns that in 10 years there will only be one railroad and we will all shop at Walmart!

I love KevinstheRRman's Warning!! [(-D]

[joecool1212]

Gordon CSX is a major player and probally will continue to be for a long time. If anyone is not going to be a major player in the future it would be Norfolk Southern. They have been struggling for a while. As for Canadian National they are a big player in the US market and meet all the definitions of a US class 1 RR except they are in Canada

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by ShaunCN

CN rules. Don't forget that they have owned GTW for a long time too.

Shaun Brings up an intresting point...


I'll give you all a boring history lesson, So listen up

CN, CP, GTRR all started off In Canada, Building rappidly towards the 1900-1910, Eventually CPR completed the first purpose built RR in North America, SURE, The UP in the USA beat us, but that RR lacked a Valid reason for a transcontinental Railway.. SO, in tern, as soon as it was complete, the CPR started shipping passengers right away.

Cn couldn't take it... They had to have their own Transcontinetal Rauilway, and did Just that... Built one..

Time flys when your having fun right? Well it was the 1920's And the GTW was becomming argrivated that they didn't have a Teanscontinetal Railway, So instead of selling Girl Guide Cookies, They packed up, and Built there own Transcontinental Railway.

Canada now had more miles of Track the inhabitants.

As soon as the last spike of the GT was laid down, They announced they had spent more then they had earned, and they were then Like that black triangle on wheel of fortune, BANKRUPT.

Have no fear, CN is here! Cn bought the entire GT line, bought all the Teack, with the Canadian Govt's help, And today can still be seen, In GT livery (Blue and red.)

But nobody, Not Cn, No one could mathc the power Of CP.

2/3 Of canads inhabitants live by the CPR, or within 30-50 miles of the tracks, or where they used to be.

Rural cities were developed by the Railways..

What time is it? You can thatnk the RR's for that too, they standerdized time and created one single time, ehich would be then modified into time zones, and then become as it is today

CP was unmatchable.. the Toronto stock exchange in the 1910's was 75% - 90% CPR stock, that was among one of the only companies in Canada

Their world Renound hotels, Such as the Chateau Champlain, the "Auberge montebello"

The CNR had some amazing Hotels, like The Queen Elizabeth in Montreal, but never got their hands as dirt as CP did

What that statement means, CP Build SHIPS, CP Air was among one of Canadas best Airplane comapnys, along side with CANADIAN, and AIR Canada,

CP ships, and CP passeneger service could never be matched.

CP's Canadian was by far Canada's fanciest CPR Train and CN sure had some half descent fancy ones too.

Cn and CP Both have withstood the test of time..

I think thats enough of a history lesson, have I bored anyone out of their minds yet

thats all for today.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Gordon DiMichele

[blue]I strongly believe within 10 years there's only gonna be 5 major Railways. Union Pacific, BNSF,CN Rail CP Rail and Norfolk Southern.

Well That's my opinon.

Gord L DiMichele
Sault Ste.Maie,Ont.Canada..

No CSX???

[Anonymous]

I think "Cn rules" was the point

[Anonymous]

So whats your point?

[ShaunCN]

CN rules. Don't forget that they have owned GTW for a long time too.

[Anonymous]

It was mine too. In fact, I think CN might pass NS on the least favorite railroad list.

[Anonymous]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!not DM&IR that was my favorite minig railroad

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dragonslayer87

CN just recently bought some railway called the Great Lakes Co. or something like that. I saw an article about it in the New York Times website.

There the ones who own the B&LE & the DM&IR.

[Anonymous]

Go CN or as they will always be to me, Canadian National Railway gotta love the logo

[Anonymous]

CN just recently bought some railway called the Great Lakes Co. or something like that. I saw an article about it in the New York Times website.

[Fergmiester]

The latest i've read, CN is CN and has informed the public that it does not go by Canadian National anymore. Nothing beets Corporate streamlining

[Anonymous]

Ans I hope they STOP buying RRs. I couldn't remember when they bought IC,I was frustrated when they bought the WC, I was mad when they bought DMIR and BLE, and I was fuming when they bought BCRail.

[Anonymous]

Is Canadian National becoming a major player in the U.S Rail Industry. They seem to be buying up all the shortline Railroad. Oct 2001 They took over the Wisconsin Central,Algoma Central Railways A yea before that they Bought IC. Recently the bought the B.C.Rail and the Duluth Missabe & Iron Range, Bessmer and Lake Erie Railroad withing 2 months.

I strongly believe within 10 years there's only gonna be 5 major Railways. Union Pacific, BNSF,CN Rail CP Rail and Norfolk Southern.

Well That's my opinon.

Gord L DiMichele
Sault Ste.Maie,Ont.Canada..