I find it interesting that a subject like this gets soo many responses, when some of the other subjects.....like a newby looking for information or someone to answer a question for them.....gets low responces (in some cases)
Perfect example..........lets post a question on what is the best DCC system (from a newby inquiering)........how many answers will be negative about "Yet another stupid question about the best DCC system" instead of explaining how to use the search feature? Or giving a postive answer to someone who made need a quiding hand from a seasoned Model railroader?
I read the subject line of everything on this web page...if it doesn't interest me, I DON'T READ IT...
AntonioFP45 wrote: I really like this forum and to me it's saddening when we start harpooning and blow torching each other. I'm always looking for tips, ideas, photos, and generally helpful info. But what's wrong with this thread? It is "train related", and imho it's comical. I looked at it, laughed a little and was about to move on............. when I started reading the flaming responses. Why have them when it's so much easier to just move on and let the thread eventually drift to the back pages? Can it be inspirational? Well, how many of us have actually thought of modeling a wrecked passenger car? Add to that, most of us here can likely do a much more realistic and better job than what's on that photo.
I really like this forum and to me it's saddening when we start harpooning and blow torching each other.
I'm always looking for tips, ideas, photos, and generally helpful info. But what's wrong with this thread? It is "train related", and imho it's comical.
I looked at it, laughed a little and was about to move on............. when I started reading the flaming responses. Why have them when it's so much easier to just move on and let the thread eventually drift to the back pages?
Can it be inspirational? Well, how many of us have actually thought of modeling a wrecked passenger car? Add to that, most of us here can likely do a much more realistic and better job than what's on that photo.
I'm with you on the point of when threads become a "alpha male/person/poster" pedestal then it becomes an arguement and not a discussion, BUT I will say that with VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS the forum has been more civil/friendly/and IMFORMATIVE for the past week or so. On that note I'll say good job to all for thinking it thru before typing!
I pay no attention to most threads as they have no apparent interest to me. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be posted or that they couldn't be of interest to others. I "cherry-pick" about 15-20%. My wish is that people starting threads would put more accurate descriptions in the titles so we won't waste time looking at those that aren't of interest or overlook those that might. For instance, there is a big difference between a title "look at this" compared to "here is photo of prototypical searchlight car."
Mark
"I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!"
If it is a violation of forum policy to inspire someone to obtain an item up for auction on ebay SPECIFIC ITEM FOR SALE would it not also be a violation for anyone here to inspire someone to purchase a specific item thru a LHS or other point of sale by us recommending it. Example, if someone posts a thread about atlas turnouts and receives replys saying that another specified manufacturer has supplied what has been a higher quality/more reliable product (at least in the opinion of the one making the reply) and the OP (or other person reading) is inspired to buy it, what is the difference? IMO if a item for sale on ebay that is discussed here is against policy then any mention of ANY MANUFACTURER should follow the same guidelines. It may inspire someone to make a informed (not saying an accurrately informed) decision.
I for one do not mind these threads as it helps make me aware of possible pitfalls should I ever start buying items from ebay OR from anyone for that matter.
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I understand that it is against forum policy to promote items that bring personal gain, but even if the OP's intent was to inspire someone to bid or even veiw it IF the OP does not profit from doing so, what is the issue?
Varnet wrote: I personally enjoy the eBay threads, but that is just me :)I have never understood why people read threads that they know don't interest them, and understand even less why they take the time to post in them. It seems very odd to me. I did a quick unscientific survey of the first 5 pages of threads in this particular forum of the board, roughly 100 threads, and only 3 were about eBay. Even if I missed a one or two, that's only 4 or 5% of the most recent threads. And if we extrapolate that out, one eBay thread per page, and there's 1,659 pages in this forum, with a total thread count of 41,466, we end up with only 4% of threads here. Hardly an unavoidable topic of discussion, especially since most of the eBay threads have descriptive titles.
I personally enjoy the eBay threads, but that is just me :)
I have never understood why people read threads that they know don't interest them, and understand even less why they take the time to post in them. It seems very odd to me.
I did a quick unscientific survey of the first 5 pages of threads in this particular forum of the board, roughly 100 threads, and only 3 were about eBay. Even if I missed a one or two, that's only 4 or 5% of the most recent threads. And if we extrapolate that out, one eBay thread per page, and there's 1,659 pages in this forum, with a total thread count of 41,466, we end up with only 4% of threads here.
Hardly an unavoidable topic of discussion, especially since most of the eBay threads have descriptive titles.
Simple answer......some people NEED something to grouse about. Prices,lack of this, too much of that, other peoples work\lack of skill\too much skill\non prototypical this and that and a whole jumble of other stuff. Best just to ignore them.
I think it's great the seller is trying to unload that pass. car. Looks like it came from a house fire or junior has been in the matches again!....remember the grilled cheez that looked like Jesus or the pope or something that sold? Probably someone out there will buy a scorched pass. car.
davidmbedard wrote: I understand the point your making about accepting criticisism<sp?>, and I agree, sort of. If the post in question had criticized the SUBJECT of the OP, and not the post itself, I would agree completely. But the post in question critisized the POSTING of the thread, not it's content. That is why I suggested contacting a moderator or Kalmbach directly.Actually, he did criticize the subject of the OP. And I have to agree with him. There are too many laugh-at-the-Ebay-seller threads. They do nothing to promote the hobby and only inspire others to laugh or mock people in the MR community.What if the seller is a member of this forum? How is that any different from mocking him directly here? If this is ok with you, then we are opening up a WHOLE can of worms.David B
I understand the point your making about accepting criticisism<sp?>, and I agree, sort of. If the post in question had criticized the SUBJECT of the OP, and not the post itself, I would agree completely. But the post in question critisized the POSTING of the thread, not it's content. That is why I suggested contacting a moderator or Kalmbach directly.
Actually, he did criticize the subject of the OP. And I have to agree with him.
There are too many laugh-at-the-Ebay-seller threads. They do nothing to promote the hobby and only inspire others to laugh or mock people in the MR community.
What if the seller is a member of this forum? How is that any different from mocking him directly here? If this is ok with you, then we are opening up a WHOLE can of worms.
David B
The post that I replied to was his second, his RANT about how that type of post should not be on these forums.
Several people WERE inspired, infact, a few were interested in bidding.
We ARE the MR community, and the MOCKING was directed at an Ebay seller, whom has a zero feedback, has been a member for 2 years with NO sales, and from the look of the OTHER items they are selling, is NOT a MR'r.
Whether or not the seller is a member here or not is irrelavant, SHE did not post the thread. I didn't see anyone MOCK the seller anyway, only the Auction.
At Arjay's request, discussion over, on my end.
David,
We'll have to agree to disagree. I find that the message boards with no humorous content at all on them to be, quite frankly, boring. That's not to say that I don't enjoy the modeling content as well, or enjoy contributing to it. My modeling might not be up to your standards, but that's okay.
And if you'll notice, not once did I say anything about the ebay seller, only the ITEM. I actually think that sellers who are trying to thin out their collections (whatever I might personally think about the particular item) are quite smart. It's a lot easier to get rid of unneeded items that way than it is to lug them to a train show these days (and there's usually more profit in it too, once you figure in hotel rooms, gas, food, and table costs).
So, on that note, I respectfully request an end to this discussion, before it does get out of hand.
Robert Beaty
The Laughing Hippie
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davidmbedard wrote:If this is ok with you, then we are opening up a WHOLE can of worms.
You'll have to buy them first.
Nelson
Ex-Southern 385 Being Hoisted
davidmbedard wrote: BTW, posting a complaint about another post in the original thread does nothing to alieviate the problem you seem to have with Kalmback Publishing's choices to allow everyone an equal voice. Try contacting a moderator or Kalmbach directly with your concerns. You'll probably get better results.Kettle.....Pot......Doesnt his voice count as well? If you are going to start a thread, then you have to be willing to recieve both sides of the coin....not only the positive ones.David B
BTW, posting a complaint about another post in the original thread does nothing to alieviate the problem you seem to have with Kalmback Publishing's choices to allow everyone an equal voice. Try contacting a moderator or Kalmbach directly with your concerns. You'll probably get better results.
Kettle.....Pot......
Doesnt his voice count as well? If you are going to start a thread, then you have to be willing to recieve both sides of the coin....not only the positive ones.
You make a valid point, His voice DOES count, as much as anyone elses. I had no intention of implying that it does not, and if it was taken differently, I apologize.
I want to keep this short, as it is nice to see that humor has returned to this thread, and will hopefully spread throughout the forum.
...This parot is clearly DEAD...it has CEASED to BE....it IS no more...
Arjay1969 wrote:There is actually one place where you could see a car burned like that...the Brayton Fire Training School at Texas A&M University. They took delivery of an old Amtrak RS-3 and 3 or 4 old passenger cars. I believe they currently have them set up in a "ravine" for rescue and/or fire training.I still wouldn't give that penny for it, though.
There is actually one place where you could see a car burned like that...the Brayton Fire Training School at Texas A&M University. They took delivery of an old Amtrak RS-3 and 3 or 4 old passenger cars. I believe they currently have them set up in a "ravine" for rescue and/or fire training.
I still wouldn't give that penny for it, though.
I'd pay one cent if I didn't have to pay for shipping....
twhite wrote: Frankly, guys, I'm going to bid on it. Actually, I'm hoping that I can find several other cars in the same condition, because I'm thinking seriously of duplicating the really HILARIOUS train wreck that appeared in that classic sci-fi stinker of a movie called THE SWARM. Now if I can just find a bunch of HO scale killer Honeybees that cause the wreck in the first place, I'll video the whole thing.
Frankly, guys, I'm going to bid on it. Actually, I'm hoping that I can find several other cars in the same condition, because I'm thinking seriously of duplicating the really HILARIOUS train wreck that appeared in that classic sci-fi stinker of a movie called THE SWARM. Now if I can just find a bunch of HO scale killer Honeybees that cause the wreck in the first place, I'll video the whole thing.
Send me the link when its done....
Actually I was thinking of buying it myself and posting photos of it on my layout in next week's photo fun......
Guy
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twhite wrote: SteamFreak wrote: twhite wrote: Rotorranch wrote: andrechapelon wrote:Essentially, this forum is a cyber version of the Monty Python "Argument Clinic". AndreNo it isn't, it's just contradiction. Rotor Not if the Penguin on the Telly explodes! "Penguins don't come from the ZOO, they come from ANTARTICA!"'Yes they do, they have PROPERTY OF THE ZOO stamped on 'em!""BURMA!" "What'd you say BURMA for?""I got excited."Yup. Tom "If it lays an egg, it will roll down the back of the television set.""Unless it's a male... looks fairly butch."The remains of this penguin are now for sale on eBay. Starting bid is 1 cent. Nelson--"We just ran RINGS around 'em logically!" I want that Penguin!Tom
SteamFreak wrote: twhite wrote: Rotorranch wrote: andrechapelon wrote:Essentially, this forum is a cyber version of the Monty Python "Argument Clinic". AndreNo it isn't, it's just contradiction. Rotor Not if the Penguin on the Telly explodes! "Penguins don't come from the ZOO, they come from ANTARTICA!"'Yes they do, they have PROPERTY OF THE ZOO stamped on 'em!""BURMA!" "What'd you say BURMA for?""I got excited."Yup. Tom "If it lays an egg, it will roll down the back of the television set.""Unless it's a male... looks fairly butch."The remains of this penguin are now for sale on eBay. Starting bid is 1 cent.
twhite wrote: Rotorranch wrote: andrechapelon wrote:Essentially, this forum is a cyber version of the Monty Python "Argument Clinic". AndreNo it isn't, it's just contradiction. Rotor Not if the Penguin on the Telly explodes! "Penguins don't come from the ZOO, they come from ANTARTICA!"'Yes they do, they have PROPERTY OF THE ZOO stamped on 'em!""BURMA!" "What'd you say BURMA for?""I got excited."Yup. Tom
Rotorranch wrote: andrechapelon wrote:Essentially, this forum is a cyber version of the Monty Python "Argument Clinic". AndreNo it isn't, it's just contradiction. Rotor
andrechapelon wrote:Essentially, this forum is a cyber version of the Monty Python "Argument Clinic". Andre
Andre
No it isn't, it's just contradiction.
Rotor
Not if the Penguin on the Telly explodes!
"Penguins don't come from the ZOO, they come from ANTARTICA!"
'Yes they do, they have PROPERTY OF THE ZOO stamped on 'em!"
"BURMA!"
"What'd you say BURMA for?"
"I got excited."
Yup.
Tom
"If it lays an egg, it will roll down the back of the television set."
"Unless it's a male... looks fairly butch."
The remains of this penguin are now for sale on eBay. Starting bid is 1 cent.
Nelson--
"We just ran RINGS around 'em logically!"
I want that Penguin!
Announcer: You probably noticed that I didn't say, "And now for something completely different," just now. This is simply because, I am unable to appear in the show this week. Sorry to interrupt.
Jake: How often does the train go by? Elwood: So often you won't even notice ...
Tom View my layout photos! http://s299.photobucket.com/albums/mm310/TWhite-014/Rio%20Grande%20Yuba%20River%20Sub One can NEVER have too many Articulateds!
twhite wrote: Rotorranch wrote: andrechapelon wrote:Essentially, this forum is a cyber version of the Monty Python "Argument Clinic". AndreNo it isn't, it's just contradiction. Rotor Not if the Penguin on the Telly explodes! "Penguins don't come from the ZOO, they come from ANTARTICA!"'Yes they do, they have PROPERTY OF THE ZOO stamped on 'em!""BURMA!" "What'd you say BURMA for?""I got excited." Yup. Tom
Don Z wrote: andrechapelon wrote:So, is it any business of yours if someone's hobby within a hobby is making fun of eBay sellers and the "treasures" they offer? AndreI don't come to this forum to have to wade through useless postings of eBay threads. I come here to learn about the hobby and find new tricks or techniques to use in the construction of my layout. Unfortunately, that is getting harder to do lately....Don Z.
andrechapelon wrote:So, is it any business of yours if someone's hobby within a hobby is making fun of eBay sellers and the "treasures" they offer? Andre
So, is it any business of yours if someone's hobby within a hobby is making fun of eBay sellers and the "treasures" they offer?
I don't come to this forum to have to wade through useless postings of eBay threads. I come here to learn about the hobby and find new tricks or techniques to use in the construction of my layout. Unfortunately, that is getting harder to do lately....
Don Z.
Then you really don't understand the core purpose(s) of the General Discussion forum here.
1. Complaining about what Kalmbach prints in Model Railroader.
2. Whining about hobby prices.
3. Weekly rants about how the hobby is dying.
4. Weekly rants about how RTR is ruining the hobby (which is dying as we speak).
5. Semi-monthly dirges about how craftsmanship has disappeared from the hobby.
6. Pointing and laughing at eBay sellers and their foibles.
7. Drowning in 50's nostalgia (i.e. the "Golden Age" when men were men and crude zamac castings were state of the art).
Essentially, this forum is a cyber version of the Monty Python "Argument Clinic".
-Morgan
But don't worry, I'll post it on YouTube so as not to interfere with the tenor of this forum, which seems lately to have deteriorated into finding new ways to slam each other into the ground.
So...since the Title: "Yet another wonderful auction site find..." was not a clue to you that THIS thread was not of interest to you, and you chose to read it anyway, the rest of us, who find this kind of thread somewhat interesting, (for whatever reason), have to wade through your whiney reply that has nothing to do with the topic or subject of the thread??? Is that any more or less fair to someone else?
It is clearly obvious from the title, and your comments, that this thread would be of no interest to you. So, Why click on the link to this thread and read it?, and then take the time for 2 replies? If you're not interested, simply skip the thread.
Every member here has just as much right to post what they see fit, as you have to click, or not click, on a link to view that information. Personally, I don't care who posts what.
If I need information, I search for it in the archives, and if I don't find it, I post a thread asking for help. If I see a post that I think I can offer help to, I reply. If I see something interesting, I read it. I do not feel the need to reply to every post I read, but sometimes I chose to.
I don't usually bid with a member that has zero transactions, and those pics look like 2 different cars. I'll have to ask the seller which one I will get.
DC
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GraniteRailroader wrote: TrainManTy wrote:Actually, if I had an Ebay accout (and didn't have to pay for shipping!) then I'd buy it! It would actually make a nice detail as a victom of a nasty wreck!You probably wouldn't see a metal car burned up like that......
TrainManTy wrote:Actually, if I had an Ebay accout (and didn't have to pay for shipping!) then I'd buy it! It would actually make a nice detail as a victom of a nasty wreck!
You probably wouldn't see a metal car burned up like that......
The.....um......er......air conditioning unit spontaneously exploded!