Grampys Trains wrote:Hi all: I really like the premise of this thread. So, here is my first post here. I did a quickie weathering job on this coal hopper. I used Bar Mills black and rust powder. Does it need more or less weathering? BTW, you can't insult me, I was a sailor.
Just a few pointers that would add materially to the car's realistic appearance. You've got a nice start and, of course, much depends on just how much weathering the individual likes on his rolling stock. I'm personally not much of a fan of the rolling wrecks all too often painted up by some hobbyists today.
A coal hopper in heavy use would show a decided amount of darker weathering along and around the rivet lines, exterior bracing and especially the side sills, as compared to the open field of the panels (probably best accomplished with repeated washes of diluted India ink). If long in service, the logos and lettering would be visibly faded (done with a light overspray of a thinned color the same as the car body, best be done prior to any actual dark weathering).
Although not visible in your photo, the hopper's interior might be painted as moderately to heavily rusted, with an overcoating of thinned grimmy black (coal dust).
Likewise, a light coating of road dirt would likely be quite apparent low along the sides and particularly the ends of the car (thrown up by the wheels and the color of the dirt or ballast in the region the car has traveled through). The areas around the hopper doors would also be quite dark and dirty (coal dust, rust and road dirt).
The couplers, as well as the wheels (but not the treads!) would be quite dark from both rust and road weathering (both having never seen any paint).
CNJ831
I wasn't sure where to post this so posting here and in this week's WPF:
After toiling along on and off for the last six months, I finally finished my latest locmotive for my layout, a D&H RS-3m #504, this is the "good enuff" version, (long hood was not raised):
The model started out as an original Atlas RS-3 with my own castings for the nose, headlight/number board housing, dynamic brake box, exhaust stack, , sinclair antenna, air tanks and battery boxes. I used SmokeyValley stancions except for the front and rear for which I repurposed the original Atlas handrails. The fuel tank and pilot faces were also rebuilt.
Jay
C-415 Build: https://imageshack.com/a/tShC/1
Other builds: https://imageshack.com/my/albums
Grampys Trains wrote:... So, here is my first post here. I did a quickie weathering job on this coal hopper. ... Does it need more or less weathering?
DJ, The hopper body looks OK, you followed the less-is-more approach and that's good. One thing that would help is to paint the centers on those metal wheels, they still have that fresh-from-the-box shine. They should be a flat, dusty gray or faded black color if you want to make them look 'real'.
One medium I recently discoved [thanx to the gang at MTW] is gouache - a highly-concentrated, water-based paint that dries extremely flat (available at any Michaels or artists supply stores). I used that stuff on the wheels of a Chessie PS2 2-bay cement hopper and was quite happy with the results.
-Ken in Maryland (B&O modeler, former CSX modeler)
Driline wrote:Ok I need some help on my first ever try at "rusting". Here's an HO trailer in progress. I can already tell you that I smeared too much rust on the back door. My question is:shall I coat the body with a diluted wash of india ink to give it the grimy lookWhat color chalk should I use to "lighten" up the rust mistake on the door.Is it normal to use a very very light coating of black chalk here and there or should I go with a light grey.Do you guys usually light brush the edges with a dry white paint to give it that highlighted look?And lastly you tell me what I used for the rust color and you get a free membership to the genius model railroad weathering club.
Ok I need some help on my first ever try at "rusting". Here's an HO trailer in progress. I can already tell you that I smeared too much rust on the back door. My question is:
And lastly you tell me what I used for the rust color and you get a free membership to the genius model railroad weathering club.
I just re-found this thread and thought that it deserved a BIG BUMP. So here it is.
Driline. The rusting looks OK on the sides, but the back door appears to have horizontal rust streaks. I would think that the streaks would be more vertical from all the water streaming off the roof when the truck & trailer are travelling down the highway. There would possibly be a few downward angled streaks from front to back on the sides for the same reason. I spent many (41) years observing our own Company vehicles and the vehicles at the premises of the Commercial buildings that I frequented to service their natural gas equipment. After you give it a few VERY LIGHT washes of India Ink wash, I think that you will have a very commendable model. Well done.
Blue Flamer.
Mass Man wrote: TrainManTy wrote: Driline wrote: This is different from weekend photo fun in that we allow others to critique our work to become better. Actually, I got bashed on WPF because of too many photos....Those graffitti decals look great guys! JK; that car's going to turn out awesome once you weather it!I don't know if I want to get bashed, but here goes....I'm not sure if this is a photo bashing place, or a work bashing place, so I guess this could be either.Bash away! To me, the reason why that chessie loco looks so toylike is because every since I was a little kid (35yo now) I remember that a lot of "trainsets" for sale at any store had a Chessie engine in it and/or a UP GP7 or something like that. So when I see any Chessie locomotive they all look toylike to me. That is just me of course
TrainManTy wrote: Driline wrote: This is different from weekend photo fun in that we allow others to critique our work to become better. Actually, I got bashed on WPF because of too many photos....Those graffitti decals look great guys! JK; that car's going to turn out awesome once you weather it!I don't know if I want to get bashed, but here goes....I'm not sure if this is a photo bashing place, or a work bashing place, so I guess this could be either.Bash away!
Driline wrote: This is different from weekend photo fun in that we allow others to critique our work to become better.
This is different from weekend photo fun in that we allow others to critique our work to become better.
Actually, I got bashed on WPF because of too many photos....
Those graffitti decals look great guys! JK; that car's going to turn out awesome once you weather it!
I don't know if I want to get bashed, but here goes....
I'm not sure if this is a photo bashing place, or a work bashing place, so I guess this could be either.
Bash away!
To me, the reason why that chessie loco looks so toylike is because every since I was a little kid (35yo now) I remember that a lot of "trainsets" for sale at any store had a Chessie engine in it and/or a UP GP7 or something like that. So when I see any Chessie locomotive they all look toylike to me. That is just me of course
You know, that could be it. I never thought of it that way. I think you're right.
Alex
The Chessie is an Atlas. I have noticed that most locos from that railroad (unless they're perfect or clost to that) look toylike. I hope to get it repainted by my friend, but I'm hesitant because I've had another loco that he's been working on since August.... Not bad though, since he's doing it for free as long as he gets to operate on my railroad.
I wish I could take the credit for the weathering on that gon, it was actually a gift from a user here, MondoTrains.
Well I'll post somthing here.
This is a scene I did a while ago. WC 6505 Idles in the snow with 2500 and 6588 trailing.
6505 is a Proto 2000 SD45, 2500 is an Atlas Master series SD35, and 6588 is another Proto 45. I did the scene by getting a board and nailing down some paint sticks to it. Then attaching a piece of code 83 flex track. Then I took some flower and siffied it through a flower sifter.
Besides the fact that the models aren't weathered, there's a big container in the background, the fact that there IS no real background, and that I kinda messed up on the bay window on 6505. What do you guys think?
I know weathering would help but I don't know how to start.
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TrainManTy wrote: Well, it was like 26 photos in a row or something... It was a photo essay on chasing a train over the railroad, so that sort of explains it. I don't mind people telling the truth about my photos, I know that my work isn't perfect (or comparable to a lot of people on these forums...) but I think it would be useful about how to improve my work. Maybe I should put something in my sig saying something like "My work isn't perfect, and I'm on a limited budget. It's the best I can do." or something like that. Not that I've gotten bashed for my work, but it might help people understand better.
Well, it was like 26 photos in a row or something... It was a photo essay on chasing a train over the railroad, so that sort of explains it.
I don't mind people telling the truth about my photos, I know that my work isn't perfect (or comparable to a lot of people on these forums...) but I think it would be useful about how to improve my work.
Maybe I should put something in my sig saying something like "My work isn't perfect, and I'm on a limited budget. It's the best I can do." or something like that. Not that I've gotten bashed for my work, but it might help people understand better.
Arn't you the one who posts his own train videos on u tube? I've seen them and I think you've done a great job on the video's. You are way ahead of me when I was your age, so we have to take that into account when we are trying to help you get better. The only thing that bothers me is that your chessie loco looks somewhat "toylike". I can't put my finger on it though. What is the brand? Maybe thats it.
I don't think you'll have problems now posting 20 photos on WPF. I've seen others do it just recently. We don't like that many photo's over here because we can get what you're trying to portray with only a few. I think 6 or 8 photo's seems standard.
"Rust, whats not to love?"
TrainManTy wrote: Driline wrote: This is different from weekend photo fun in that we allow others to critique our work to become better. Actually, I got bashed on WPF because of too many photos....Those graffitti decals look great guys! JK; that car's going to turn out awesome once you weather it!I don't know if I want to get bashed, but here goes....I'm not sure if this is a photo bashing place, or a work bashing place, so I guess this could be either.[img]http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee261/TrainManTy/P1020646.jpg?t=1206893914Bash away!
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Ty - Kinda takes the fun out of WPF huh.
Don't think of it as bashing, think of it as truth telling. It stuff is good - people will tell you so; it its bad - people should be able to, and will, tell you so. As think of it this way, if no one tells you when you do something wrong or poorly, you'll continue do it that same way (poorly), never improve, never try to improve. I compare it to American Idol. You see so many people in the auditions who sing so badly, but say how everybody has always told them how beautiful their voice. When they finally hear the truth they're completely devastated because no one in the past has had the guts to be honest with them because they (family, friends, etc.) did want to hurt their feelings. This thread is meant to help people improve their modeling, photography etc. by being a place where people can get some honest feedback and suggestions for help, not just a place where people can bash one another.
jktrains
P.S. - I'll bash the picture later!
Driline wrote:This is different from weekend photo fun in that we allow others to critique our work to become better.
jktrains wrote: To add to the graffiti decal discussion. Here's a car I've recently started working on.It still needs to be weathered etc., but the graffiti is a homemade decal of graffiti taken from an actual car.Here's a link to the actual car.http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=4409Also, someone a little while ago posted a link to a website that allows you to create your own graffiti. I've been playing around with it and plan on making some of my own graffiti decals using it.
To add to the graffiti decal discussion. Here's a car I've recently started working on.
It still needs to be weathered etc., but the graffiti is a homemade decal of graffiti taken from an actual car.
Here's a link to the actual car.
http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=4409
Also, someone a little while ago posted a link to a website that allows you to create your own graffiti. I've been playing around with it and plan on making some of my own graffiti decals using it.
That is awesome!
I think just one car with graffiti on your layout really sparks conversation with visitors. Someday I'll have one too.
I see you changed your background to "black". Is that part of the "lights out for earth day" protest?
Driline wrote: SleeperN06 wrote: Hi everyone, I've been looking for a thread like this and I posted a lot of stuff in all the wrong places. Now that I know the name is Forum & Symposium, I'll start posting here. I'm am a little confused though, why wouldn't this be in the ‘Layouts and layout building' forum and does anybody read the ‘Layouts and layout building'? I never see many people there. And finally, what is the difference between the ‘weekend photo fun' and this?JohnnyBThis isn't in the layouts and layout building because it covers ALL aspects of train building, including engines, weathering, and model building.This is different from weekend photo fun in that we allow others to critique our work to become better. We strive for quality, not quantity . The other thread went down in flames too many times with hurt feelings and unsolicited critiques. We are more a thick skinned bunch who can take a punch now and then and laugh at ourselves. So fire away......
SleeperN06 wrote: Hi everyone, I've been looking for a thread like this and I posted a lot of stuff in all the wrong places. Now that I know the name is Forum & Symposium, I'll start posting here. I'm am a little confused though, why wouldn't this be in the ‘Layouts and layout building' forum and does anybody read the ‘Layouts and layout building'? I never see many people there. And finally, what is the difference between the ‘weekend photo fun' and this?JohnnyB
Hi everyone, I've been looking for a thread like this and I posted a lot of stuff in all the wrong places. Now that I know the name is Forum & Symposium, I'll start posting here.
I'm am a little confused though, why wouldn't this be in the ‘Layouts and layout building' forum and does anybody read the ‘Layouts and layout building'? I never see many people there. And finally, what is the difference between the ‘weekend photo fun' and this?
JohnnyB
This isn't in the layouts and layout building because it covers ALL aspects of train building, including engines, weathering, and model building.
This is different from weekend photo fun in that we allow others to critique our work to become better. We strive for quality, not quantity . The other thread went down in flames too many times with hurt feelings and unsolicited critiques. We are more a thick skinned bunch who can take a punch now and then and laugh at ourselves. So fire away......
Thanks, then I do believe this what I'm looking for.
Driline wrote: Guilford Guy wrote: I like the graffitti. Is that a decal? I thought I saw in someother thread you said you purchased these?
Guilford Guy wrote:
I like the graffitti. Is that a decal? I thought I saw in someother thread you said you purchased these?
They are bar mills decals. Very nice, but break easily. Microscale makes some as well.
Ok, I've finished my first scratchbuilt "styrene" structure. It is by no means museum quality. It is only meant to depict the original and bring an aura of believability
Here is the original picture of the Bettendorf Driline yard taken in 1995 by me.
Here is what I started with. About $25 in materials purchased from Walthers through my LHS. The walls are pikestuff, and the windows are tichy. The windows you see there are not the final ones I used. I scratchbuilt the addition and its windows as well.
And heres the final product.... The layout is NOT scenicked at all. I just threw some figures and barrels there to make it look presentable.
OzarkBelt wrote: Here's another favorite:
Here's another favorite:
The classic weather pattern for a carbody unit is the "bow wave". Starting at the lead truck cutout in the skirt, there is a spray pattern that comes up 3 or 4 feet in a arc and then fades out down the side of the unit.
Mask the windows when you weather. They get cleaned even if the rest of the unit doesn't. If you absolutely MUST muddy the windows mask a windshield wiper arc on the front windows.
After you finish weathering give a black wash to the grills
Try buying some weathering powders. Unless you are modeling a unit that was involved in a bridge collapse and the unit rolled down an embankment and into a muddy river and has just been pulled out, your washes are waaaaaaaay too heavy. Maybe thinning them to half strength and mixing in alcohol will give you more control. Vary the color too. the color dirt you have used is typical of Oklahoma. I like to use UP Harbor Mist grey . It is dark enought to show up on light units, light enough to show up on dark units and has a warm cast to it. Another color is plain old black thinned way down. A little goes a long way. Vary the colors, don't use just one color all over the unit. Mud/dust colors on the lower half blending to oil/soot colors on the top half. Subtlety, subtlety. If you think you need just one more wash, STOP, you probably have enough or a little past enough.
Dave H.
Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com
Coleman wrote: My original photos were deleted because of a couple of curse words in the graffiti. So I had to edit them a little bit in order to repost them so the precious kids of the world today do not see it. Anyway you can beat these pictures if youd like. I weathered these this week and also hand painted my graffiti on the cars yesterday. They look pretty good to me but I may be wrong? The graffiti on the boxcars on the bottom look a little bit better in the pics because they were dullcoted at that time. After the pictures were taken I did the top cars too and that took the shine away
My original photos were deleted because of a couple of curse words in the graffiti. So I had to edit them a little bit in order to repost them so the precious kids of the world today do not see it. Anyway you can beat these pictures if youd like. I weathered these this week and also hand painted my graffiti on the cars yesterday. They look pretty good to me but I may be wrong? The graffiti on the boxcars on the bottom look a little bit better in the pics because they were dullcoted at that time. After the pictures were taken I did the top cars too and that took the shine away
Coleman, did you know that Walthers sells graffiti decal sets? They look very cool like the real thing. I don't know if any of the pro's around here have used them like aggro or neutrino, but I thought you might like to know.