Mine doesn't move.......it's at the station!!!
Don, Uhh no Not proof of Purchase.... Have you actually seen one of these cards? They are registration cards, You fill them out all the Info,Where you bought it, the Model, the date etc and you send it back to activate your warrenty, If you need to see one let me know and I will scan one,so you can enlighten me abit more... maybe correctly this time
Warranties vary... They are added expense, picked up by the SALES deparment. INSURANCE if you prefer. 90 days seems to be a standard.
ARGUMENTS for and against:
PERFECTION: '0' defects, no shipping problems, no customer problems. (WHY a Warranty)? NINETY DAY: An Insurance policy, spelled out, and detailing conditions. (New product, original purchaser, etc.)
'LIFETIME' WARANTY: An 'Exchange' policy - again with 'spelled out' conditions. Good deal, or not? (YES) if the products need a sales boost; (NO)If the product were better made.
YOU are the one paying for it, Either way. Your perception can vary.
"WARRANTY" is a seven letter word. Period. Read the details (conditions).
I have 'Warranties' from Atlas, Kato, Genesis, Stewart, Athearn, Life Like, and Bachmann for new purchases. I have ony needed to use Genesis (2) Stewart (1) and Bachmann (2). My Genesis and Stewart 'replacements' were N/C (well past the warranty expiration) and are still running.
As for the two Bachmann $15 'lifetime' exchanges, I sold them. (Same problem).
loathar wrote:David-I've heard of people sending in 20 year old locos that Bach couldn't fix, so they replaced them with comparable new locos for a minimum fee of $10-$15. They've sent me parts for my old ones for free. No questions asked. I really don't see why people complain about their service dept.
Yeah, like me, I bought a first run Bachmann SD45 at train show, it squeeked, sent it back and got a new modern SD45 for only shipping. Proto; I've only cashed in on the split gear problem, got new axels in the mail for free. Atlas too has only a 90 day warrantee, attitude better than Kato, by the way I met a very old Japanese man at the Kato both at the Springfield show, he needed an interpreter. I asked if that was a founding member of Kato, or is it Mr. Kato himself... but I think I used up my question points after asking about the rerelease of the -9s. — A T T I T U D E ! ! !
I've had no problems with my Kato N scale equipment, an E8 and an RDC. The RDC was bought new, and runs great. The E, was bought as 'flood salvage' when Esther's Hobby got flooded a few years back. Even without total disassemly and cleaning, no problems!
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CPrail wrote: I have a couple "KATO's" in HO scale,these are fine running and well put together,but I must admite I have never been a big fan of their Warrenty, 90 days doesn't seem like a lot,I look for lifetime and thats where my $$$ goes.Mike.
I have a couple "KATO's" in HO scale,these are fine running and well put together,but I must admite I have never been a big fan of their Warrenty, 90 days doesn't seem like a lot,I look for lifetime and thats where my $$$ goes.
Mike.
How many manufactures give a lifetime warranty besides Bachmann?
trolleyboy wrote: I have had all the same complaints with HO Kato's that Brakie has mentioned as well.Not great concidering the premium ones pays for one of their offerings,I still haven't seen a good CP action red paint job from them yet,-------------------http://highhood.com/includes/ImageViewer.asp?ModelID=1828 how does this one look to youRob
I have had all the same complaints with HO Kato's that Brakie has mentioned as well.Not great concidering the premium ones pays for one of their offerings,I still haven't seen a good CP action red paint job from them yet,-------------------http://highhood.com/includes/ImageViewer.asp?ModelID=1828 how does this one look to you
Rob
Vail and Southwestern RR wrote: mokenarr wrote: Vail and Southwestern RR wrote:I just popped an NW2 open. It looks to be true that there are no screws through it holding the frame halves to gether, I think the fuel tank, and friction on the circuit board are all that are doing it, and I don't want to have to put it together, so I am not taking it apart! This thing is really tiny, I am thinking that the reason for no screws may be that there really isn't a place for them. Again, I am not taking it apart to see, but most of the length of the frame is taken up by mechanism, and of course the cab end is cut way down, besides. So, while I see the issue, or at least the potential issue, I do not see it as a Kato issue, or a "cheapness" issue. I think it is a practical issue in producing such a tiny locomotive! That's my opinion, feel free to disagree. I won't hesitate to buy more Katos when they are what I want.I beleive you are 100% correct , the tank and circuit board are all that hold it together. I had removed the tank before removing the shell and when the shell came off the bottom part of the frame seperated, cause the inside to come outside. When I paint it and put it back together I will make sure the tanl is on b4 i do anything else Thank You , you have helped alotThat makes a lot of sense. If you slip the shell off first, you could tape it together, and they take the fuel tank off, and never have the trouble you had! Like I sad, I'm not sure there is even room for the screws most of the frames I have seen have, but I think this is a great little loco!
mokenarr wrote: Vail and Southwestern RR wrote:I just popped an NW2 open. It looks to be true that there are no screws through it holding the frame halves to gether, I think the fuel tank, and friction on the circuit board are all that are doing it, and I don't want to have to put it together, so I am not taking it apart! This thing is really tiny, I am thinking that the reason for no screws may be that there really isn't a place for them. Again, I am not taking it apart to see, but most of the length of the frame is taken up by mechanism, and of course the cab end is cut way down, besides. So, while I see the issue, or at least the potential issue, I do not see it as a Kato issue, or a "cheapness" issue. I think it is a practical issue in producing such a tiny locomotive! That's my opinion, feel free to disagree. I won't hesitate to buy more Katos when they are what I want.I beleive you are 100% correct , the tank and circuit board are all that hold it together. I had removed the tank before removing the shell and when the shell came off the bottom part of the frame seperated, cause the inside to come outside. When I paint it and put it back together I will make sure the tanl is on b4 i do anything else Thank You , you have helped alot
Vail and Southwestern RR wrote:I just popped an NW2 open. It looks to be true that there are no screws through it holding the frame halves to gether, I think the fuel tank, and friction on the circuit board are all that are doing it, and I don't want to have to put it together, so I am not taking it apart! This thing is really tiny, I am thinking that the reason for no screws may be that there really isn't a place for them. Again, I am not taking it apart to see, but most of the length of the frame is taken up by mechanism, and of course the cab end is cut way down, besides. So, while I see the issue, or at least the potential issue, I do not see it as a Kato issue, or a "cheapness" issue. I think it is a practical issue in producing such a tiny locomotive! That's my opinion, feel free to disagree. I won't hesitate to buy more Katos when they are what I want.
I beleive you are 100% correct , the tank and circuit board are all that hold it together. I had removed the tank before removing the shell and when the shell came off the bottom part of the frame seperated, cause the inside to come outside. When I paint it and put it back together I will make sure the tanl is on b4 i do anything else Thank You , you have helped alot
That makes a lot of sense. If you slip the shell off first, you could tape it together, and they take the fuel tank off, and never have the trouble you had! Like I sad, I'm not sure there is even room for the screws most of the frames I have seen have, but I think this is a great little loco!
Sorry you had such a bad experience with this particular Kato.
The friction fit of the frame halves may not have been as tight fitting and hence your troubles. Screws to secure the halves would need to be electrically isolated in the first place regardless if it is even feasible.
I've only experienced trouble with one HO Kato NW2. The bronze PU interlocking the frame nubs were always a problem. Rewiring the PUs solved the trouble. Now this one had been disassembled and the frame sent out to be milled for a decoder. I believe that even though a poor design, all my tinkering and disassembly had caused the issues. Another NW2 that has never been apart and still DC runs absolutely perfect.
All my other Katos are 16 Stewart/Kato that are in my mind the best drive that has ever been produced. One ABBA set in particular has run countless hours at shows and open houses and 12 years later only one unit needed a major RR and relube. The Older Atlas/ Katos are another fine chassis that haven't given me any problems.
Yes there have been issues in the past as cited by others, but Kato, especially in "N" scale is right up there in the overall quality and running.
It's just too bad that Kato has pretty much abandoned the HO and went to the "dark side" with most of thier product line. That hasn't bothered me much for HO, Atlas hasn't let me down. Of the over 20+ Atlas Classic and Master not one has been a problem. I can say the same for my P2Ks as well. Am I just lucky? Don't know..
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Really, Thats odd I guess those little lifetime warrenty cards in Proto's and Spectrums that have HO engine's in them are what?
I give up. Generally it's Proof of purchase?
I have actually used both Warrenties at no cost to me but shipping.
(Terms of NewWarrantee?)
Or am I wrong???????
No - as long as you meet their conditions, (and they are still in business). The KEY word here is "Remedy" - as always, the 'Devil is in the details. Enlighten me .... As I'm sure you will
Mike
OK, Mike, but I'm not sure it will help.
Don, Uhh no Not proof of Purchase.... Have you actually seen one of these cards? They are registration cards, You fill them out all the Info,Where you bought it, the Model, the date etc and you send it back to activate your warrenty, If you need to see one let me know and I will scan one,so you can enlighten me abit more... maybe correctly this time.
santafemikie wrote: mokenarr,I am not sure what happened with your model. If there was a problem with it, I would call Kato USA or contact them online and talk to some of the guys in the tech dept. They are very good and have parts stashed for even their earlier models. Their repair dept isn't free, many times they can send you some new or updated parts to cure your problem. As far as warranties go, I have over 100 Katos (HO) on my layout and have never had a warranty problem. There was a stir about their SD-40-2's but I hard wire ALL of my locomotives so I never even noticed that one. I have had breakage from mishandling only a couple of times.The other issue for "free" warranties is once you take it apart it is no longer covered. Some parts any manufacturer will replace but you will need to do the work yourself. The only problem I have with Kato is they don't come out with enough new stuff! Mikie
mokenarr,
I am not sure what happened with your model. If there was a problem with it, I would call Kato USA or contact them online and talk to some of the guys in the tech dept. They are very good and have parts stashed for even their earlier models. Their repair dept isn't free, many times they can send you some new or updated parts to cure your problem. As far as warranties go, I have over 100 Katos (HO) on my layout and have never had a warranty problem. There was a stir about their SD-40-2's but I hard wire ALL of my locomotives so I never even noticed that one. I have had breakage from mishandling only a couple of times.The other issue for "free" warranties is once you take it apart it is no longer covered. Some parts any manufacturer will replace but you will need to do the work yourself. The only problem I have with Kato is they don't come out with enough new stuff!
Mikie
CPrail wrote: I have a couple "KATO's" in HO scale,these are fine running and well put together,but I must admite I have never been a big fan of their Warrenty, 90 days doesn't seem like a lot,I look for lifetime and thats where my $$$ goes.
CPR:
Which is better - a 90 day warranty that few people ever need to use, or a lifetime warranty that gets used all the time?
I think we need to lose our belief in warranties as guarantees of anything. There was a time when they were. Kato's 3-mo warranty is a traditional warranty, and this says to me "We are willing to do decent QC to eliminate failures". The lifetime warranties say to me "We are going to let the end-user handle the QC".
I don't hear of too many Katos having problems...do you?
Although I don't own any KATO stuff I do have a Bachmann GE 70 Tonner. Originally I had bought the 70 Tonner when the model first came out. I had it for several years when the gears on one truck jammed. The model was sent to Bachmann for repair under the warrenty. They sent me a letter in which they stated the model had been replaced by a new version and they would replace my original for $15. I have the new 70 Tonner and it is excellent. Just wish it were available in SP Trger Stripe with aluminum ends paint.
The newer model is far better than the one I sent in as far as the drive is concerned.
R. T. POTEET wrote:mokenarr, you didn't say where you bought this thing - not the merchant you purchased it from but did you get it from a local or a discounter or at a swap meet or where.I say this because back in 1972 I was stationed with the Air Force in Germany and was toying with the idea of giving up HO Scale for N Scale; I ordered a couple of MRC 2-8-4 Berkshires from a mail-order discounter based on Staten Island who advertised some bargain prices in RMC. They turned out to be a bunch of flakes and it took me from 1972 to 1976 before I finally got rid of their last credit memo. Anyway, when I got these two units and went to run them they ran in opposite directions. I finally figured out which one was running in reverse and took it apart to see if I could figure out what was the matter with it. At first I thought that someone had probably gotten the motor in backwards - I had done this on some of my Cary/Mantua kits - but I finally concluded that the driving axles and tender axles were reversed and that is what was causing the reverse polarity on the motor; when I turned the axles 180 degrees everything ran According to Hoyle.What I finally concluded had happened was this SMC company had sold it to someone who took it apart and got it back together improperly so returned it as defective merchandise; SMC then unloaded it on me. This is probably what happened to you.I probably have more Atlas units than Kato units but some of my Atlas units go back to the Atlas/Kato days of a decade or more ago. My Kato units have always given me flawless service and the worst problem I have ever encountered was a loke with a pick up wiper making erratic contact with the back of a wheel set. Rather than get mad at Kato I would vent my spleen on the outfit that sold this to you - they probably realized what had happened and found it far easier to dump it on you than return it to Kato!
got this from my local booy shop about 2 months ago. waited to get decals and paint b4 taking it apart. As I said , it runs great , looks super , has lots of detail on the thing, iys just that the frame holding the engine fell apart when I removed the shell, I dont care what the MR guys did , wish I new. I di not pull on the trucks to remove it , if it does not come off peaceably , then its being taken off incorrectly.
I stopped getting running stuff from shows when I had a similar experievce with an engine, and after I got it home I had no way of contacting the guy I got it from , and next show he was not there. Seems the motor was held on by super glue , but he said it was new , hmm.
The only major issue I had with my N scale Kato E8 is that the wheels were slightly out of gauge. Fortunately, they were on the wide side, so a little pressure with my fingers brought them right back in gauge.
I have a dog who sheds a lot (he's part Border Collie) and once the E8 started grinding and stopped running. I found some of my dog's hair had gotten into the mechanism and wound around the worm gear. I had to take things apart, but once I got all back together, it ran fine again. That's not Kato's fault at all; it was mine for not brushing my dog enough!
Katos are also really easy to convert to DCC. I love my Kato!!! Kato and Atlas are the standard in N scale diesels right now.
I converted mine to DCC and added PRR TrainPhone antennae:
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I have had all the same complaints with HO Kato's that Brakie has mentioned as well.Not great concidering the premium ones pays for one of their offerings,I still haven't seen a good CP action red paint job from them yet,so if I do buy something from them it's undecorated less to complain about then,mind you since the RS2's they haven't offered anything remotley close to the era I model anyway.
Actually Kato has had some issues in HO..Everybody knows about the faulty wiring on the earlier SD40.We won't go into the incorrect paint,incorrect details ect.
I had a HO NW2 that was crap from the start and I never could get that thing to run like it should and I have repaired annd tweaked engines for years.
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CPrail wrote: Really, Thats odd I guess those little lifetime warrenty cards in Proto's and Spectrums that have HO engine's in them are what?I Guess I should have said " Lifetime Limited Warrenty" And I quote the Spectrum Warrenty " Bachmann Ind., Inc will remedy any defect or Malfunction occurring in the Locomotive within the Life time of the Purchaser"Which is still better than 90 days, I have actually used both Warrenties at no cost to me but shipping.Or am I wrong???????Enlighten me .... As I'm sure you willMike
I Guess I should have said " Lifetime Limited Warrenty" And I quote the Spectrum Warrenty " Bachmann Ind., Inc will remedy any defect or Malfunction occurring in the Locomotive within the Life time of the Purchaser"
Which is still better than 90 days, I have actually used both Warrenties at no cost to me but shipping.
Enlighten me .... As I'm sure you will
When I got my Bachmann K4, one of the wires from the tender to the locomotive was not sodered correctly and they sent me a brand new K4
Gee.....a locomotive that never requires warranty repair, perhaps?
Really, so no KATO engine ever built has had a problem,Wow Perfection