All right, now that all the politics and discussions about the origin of the Internet are out of the way, for those who are still interested, here is a link to the site in question:
http://www.tallpine.net/
Dan Stokes
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Brunton wrote:No harm, no foul. On with the fun!!
No harm, no foul. On with the fun!!
I agree. I've got a railroad to build.
Enjoy
Paul
IRONROOSTER wrote:(I thought you're clown face was a further reference to Gore, my mistake.)
Mark P.
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All politics aside, the Internet was conceived by MIT scientists, probably at least partially under Defense Department grants, and developed by scientists in the UK, and at UCLA, and began life as we know it in 1969.
"Origins of the Internet
The first recorded description of the social interactions that could be enabled through networking was a series of memos written by J.C.R. Licklider of MIT in August 1962 discussing his "Galactic Network" concept. He envisioned a globally interconnected set of computers through which everyone could quickly access data and programs from any site. In spirit, the concept was very much like the Internet of today. Licklider was the first head of the computer research program at DARPA, 4 starting in October 1962. While at DARPA he convinced his successors at DARPA, Ivan Sutherland, Bob Taylor, and MIT researcher Lawrence G. Roberts, of the importance of this networking concept.
Leonard Kleinrock at MIT published the first paper on packet switching theory in July 1961 and the first book on the subject in 1964. Kleinrock convinced Roberts of the theoretical feasibility of communications using packets rather than circuits, which was a major step along the path towards computer networking. The other key step was to make the computers talk together. To explore this, in 1965 working with Thomas Merrill, Roberts connected the TX-2 computer in Mass. to the Q-32 in California with a low speed dial-up telephone line creating the first (however small) wide-area computer network ever built. The result of this experiment was the realization that the time-shared computers could work well together, running programs and retrieving data as necessary on the remote machine, but that the circuit switched telephone system was totally inadequate for the job. Kleinrock's conviction of the need for packet switching was confirmed.
In late 1966 Roberts went to DARPA to develop the computer network concept and quickly put together his plan for the "ARPANET", publishing it in 1967. At the conference where he presented the paper, there was also a paper on a packet network concept from the UK by Donald Davies and Roger Scantlebury of NPL. Scantlebury told Roberts about the NPL work as well as that of Paul Baran and others at RAND. The RAND group had written a paper on packet switching networks for secure voice in the military in 1964. It happened that the work at MIT (1961-1967), at RAND (1962-1965), and at NPL (1964-1967) had all proceeded in parallel without any of the researchers knowing about the other work. The word "packet" was adopted from the work at NPL and the proposed line speed to be used in the ARPANET design was upgraded from 2.4 kbps to 50 kbps. 5
In August 1968, after Roberts and the DARPA funded community had refined the overall structure and specifications for the ARPANET, an RFQ was released by DARPA for the development of one of the key components, the packet switches called Interface Message Processors (IMP's). The RFQ was won in December 1968 by a group headed by Frank Heart at Bolt Beranek and Newman (BBN). As the BBN team worked on the IMP's with Bob Kahn playing a major role in the overall ARPANET architectural design, the network topology and economics were designed and optimized by Roberts working with Howard Frank and his team at Network Analysis Corporation, and the network measurement system was prepared by Kleinrock's team at UCLA. 6
Due to Kleinrock's early development of packet switching theory and his focus on analysis, design and measurement, his Network Measurement Center at UCLA was selected to be the first node on the ARPANET. All this came together in September 1969 when BBN installed the first IMP at UCLA and the first host computer was connected."
much more at:
http://www.isoc.org/internet/history/brief.shtml
In all my studying for a Cisco cert, CCNA, and classes for Win2K MCSE and Sun Solaris Systems Administration, I never heard even one reference to a politician, ANY politician, having anything to do with it until well after Arpanet was up, running, and connecting tens or hundreds of nodes.
If there were any politicians pushing the Net, you'd have to look at Department of Defense funding bills from the 1960's to find them. I seriously doubt this was the case, however, as my reading indicates that these were very small and shoestring budgeted projects, most likely carried out without even line item budget approval more than a couple steps above those few actually doing the work and writing the papers.
My two cents, and now, back to our regularly scheduled thread...
Brunton wrote: IRONROOSTER wrote: I think it's time we stop maligning the man who won the 2000 election. Paul I agree - Quit denigrating George W Bush! My comment about Gore and the internet was sardonic humor - nothing more (that's what the clown face was there to indicate). You might have been joking as well, but I can't really tell for sure (were you?).
IRONROOSTER wrote: I think it's time we stop maligning the man who won the 2000 election. Paul
My comment about Gore and the internet was sardonic humor - nothing more (that's what the clown face was there to indicate). You might have been joking as well, but I can't really tell for sure (were you?).
Sorry, didn't realize you were attempting humor. Even Al Gore has poked fun at it as well. But so many people have used it as an attack that it's hard to tell with the bare printed word (I thought you're clown face was a further reference to Gore, my mistake.)
My line you quote was a bit of humor (admittedly weak). Of course Bush won the vote that really counted 5-4 . As did "8-7 Hayes", which come to think of it also involved Florida.
Yes, I've got one - in the spam file .
And it got me a good time, great pictures. This guy can take pictures!!!
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larak wrote: Brunton wrote:Yes, I got one several weeks ago. It leads to Angelo Batistella's Tall Pine Railroad. Nice layout -0 it was in MR some years ago. Web site has been there for years - I think Al Gore contacted Angelo and had him put it up when Al first invented the internet! IRONROOSTER wrote:Gore never claimed that he "invented" the Internet, Gore said, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." Taken in context, the sentence, despite some initial ambiguity, means that as a congressman Gore promoted the system we enjoy today, No, create is a synomym for invent. It is NOT a synonym for promote. Check your thesaurus please. There is no ambiguity. It's a sentence that any fifth grader can understand. It's like the bill of rights. The rights of the people are the rights of the people.Gore, like most politicians deliberately attempted to mislead the voters. He probably didn't even take any initiative at all. A check of the record will likely show that he was merely a co-signer of a bill that was not of his sole authorship.I wonder if he invented model railroading too or just real railroads.
Brunton wrote:Yes, I got one several weeks ago. It leads to Angelo Batistella's Tall Pine Railroad. Nice layout -0 it was in MR some years ago. Web site has been there for years - I think Al Gore contacted Angelo and had him put it up when Al first invented the internet!
IRONROOSTER wrote:Gore never claimed that he "invented" the Internet, Gore said, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." Taken in context, the sentence, despite some initial ambiguity, means that as a congressman Gore promoted the system we enjoy today,
Gore never claimed that he "invented" the Internet, Gore said, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
Taken in context, the sentence, despite some initial ambiguity, means that as a congressman Gore promoted the system we enjoy today,
No, create is a synomym for invent. It is NOT a synonym for promote. Check your thesaurus please.
There is no ambiguity. It's a sentence that any fifth grader can understand. It's like the bill of rights. The rights of the people are the rights of the people.
Gore, like most politicians deliberately attempted to mislead the voters. He probably didn't even take any initiative at all. A check of the record will likely show that he was merely a co-signer of a bill that was not of his sole authorship.
I wonder if he invented model railroading too or just real railroads.
Here's a fuller explanation http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
and another view http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue5_10/wiggins/
Context is important.
context: "the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect: You have misinterpreted my remark because you took it out of context."
And yet another thread heads off into political debate! I wonder if on political forums (assuming there are some) the discussions break into the facets of model railroading?
Bob Boudreau
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selector wrote: IRONROOSTER wrote: ...I think it's time we stop maligning the man who won the 2000 election. Paul Heh, heh. Apparently, he can't count, either.
IRONROOSTER wrote: ...I think it's time we stop maligning the man who won the 2000 election. Paul
...I think it's time we stop maligning the man who won the 2000 election.
Heh, heh. Apparently, he can't count, either.
Not that I'm up for a flame war or political discussion, but this is one thing I cannot let go. Al Gore did win more individual votes than did George Bush. However, due to the design of the Electoral College, Bush won more electoral votes, making him President.
"Create" is an ambigious term. While I might agree that Gore did not choose the best word to use there, the word has often been used in the context of providing the authorization and initiative to bring in something new. It isn't cut and dry.
Back on topic, I haven't seen this railroad's website, but from the support here I am definitely going to check it out!
Yes, I got the email today and it is legit!
A few years ago I registered on his web site, Angelo Battistella is in Italy and does great work. I also like his web design too.
Cheers,
Ryan
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Actually,
Gore never claimed that he "invented" the Internet, which implies that he engineered the technology. The invention occurred in the seventies and allowed scientists in the Defense Department to communicate with each other. In a March 1999 interview with Wolf Blitzer, Gore said, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." Taken in context, the sentence, despite some initial ambiguity, means that as a congressman Gore promoted the system we enjoy today, not that he could patent the science, though that's how the quotation has been manipulated. Hence the disingenuous substitution of "inventing" for the actual language.
Gore never claimed that he "invented" the Internet, which implies that he engineered the technology. The invention occurred in the seventies and allowed scientists in the Defense Department to communicate with each other. In a March 1999 interview with Wolf Blitzer, Gore said, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
Taken in context, the sentence, despite some initial ambiguity, means that as a congressman Gore promoted the system we enjoy today, not that he could patent the science, though that's how the quotation has been manipulated. Hence the disingenuous substitution of "inventing" for the actual language.
I think it's time we stop maligning the man who won the 2000 election.
I've been to the TPRR web site before, too. It's a nice one.
Tom
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Looks like you're the only lucky one Art
You're braver than I am I usually delete unknown emails
and i'd have missed all those nice pictures!
Makes me wonder why you got it !
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