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[quote]QUOTE: Originally posted by Big_Boy_4005 How high are you planning to go? Risers will only take you so far. [/quote] Also how much of your layout can you dedicate to climbing to the second level? Climbing 2 feet at a 2% grade will require 100 feet of track Also the length of the trains and the pulling power of your locomotives will determine your maximum grade. A helix is a way of gaining altitude in the most compact area and is necessary when a more natural transition isn't possible. By the way, how much would a hundred feet of W.S. risers cost? Have you considered simply buying a sheet of foam insulation and building a long ramp? Wayne
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