Randy: There’s plenty of Yes and Rush references in place or waiting to be built. Anderson & Howe Topographic Maps; Squire Fishing Boats; Bruford Drum Brakes; T. Sawyer and Co.; Lerxt, Dirk & Pratt (not sure what they are yet, but don’t need a law office on my layout); The Wakeman Hotel; and Science Rocket Brewing will have wall size posters for Starship Trooper Ale. I’m sure I’ll think of more. The Siberian Khatru is a great name for a passenger train!
And my apologies to the OP for continuing to hijack this post.
Drumguy (Iʻm also a drummer since age 7), you just gave me a bunch of new ideas on naming stuff on my RR. Also a big YES fan. Seen they many times.
doctorwayne rrinker Yes but when the keep alive keeps the loco running for 6 feet or more after the power is cut - that's a LOT of track to kill when removing the liftout..... You're right about that, Randy. I could, however, on my DC-powered layout, which is basically wired as a single block, have the removal of the lift-outs kill the entire layout. I did, in another thread, I think, describe how a train did make it to the area of the not-in-place liftout, with the expected consequences. That's because I didn't bother to add that kill-the-power-at-the-lift-out feature to this layout. Wayne
rrinker Yes but when the keep alive keeps the loco running for 6 feet or more after the power is cut - that's a LOT of track to kill when removing the liftout.....
You're right about that, Randy. I could, however, on my DC-powered layout, which is basically wired as a single block, have the removal of the lift-outs kill the entire layout. I did, in another thread, I think, describe how a train did make it to the area of the not-in-place liftout, with the expected consequences. That's because I didn't bother to add that kill-the-power-at-the-lift-out feature to this layout.
Wayne
Well, there is always that - can do the same in DCC really, just have the lift bridge trip a contact that activates a relay cutting the power to either the entire layout or at least the section around the lift out that all comes from the same boooster., if multiple boosters are employed. Still doesn;t solve the keep alive issue, but if the whole layout, or at least more of it than the longest train, are dead, you're about as safe as you're gonna get.
--Randy
Modeling the Reading Railroad in the 1950's
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Drumguy Randy: There’s plenty of Yes and Rush references in place or waiting to be built. Anderson & Howe Topographic Maps; Squire Fishing Boats; Bruford Drum Brakes; T. Sawyer and Co.; Lerxt, Dirk & Pratt (not sure what they are yet, but don’t need a law office on my layout); The Wakeman Hotel; and Science Rocket Brewing will have wall size posters for Starship Trooper Ale. I’m sure I’ll think of more. The Siberian Khatru is a great name for a passenger train! And my apologies to the OP for continuing to hijack this post.
I am leaning more towards a prototype, so I sort of have to keep that to a minimum. Will have to do to play Yes while working on it. Though I do have some things I will be putting in to remember family members, like Walt's Cafe for my Uncle. Have to see if I can scratchbuild a reasonable replica of the house I grew up in, even though it was 40 miles from here. I suppose I can sneak a law firm in there, in town somewhere, maybe next tot he cafe. Considering I said since day 1 the name sounded more like a law firm than a music group. Beats the overused Dewey, Cheatum & Howe nyuck nyuck nyuck
Then again, no one says you are limited to one layout, either...
And on further thought, Heart of the Sunrise should be the opposite direction passenger train. Or maybe the morning run.
Drumguymy apologies to the OP for continuing to hijack this post.
You know the thread has been successfully hijacked when you see Doughless's comment about "keep-alive" and try to remember what Yes song mentions anything close to "keep alive". ...Maybe he's confused and is thinking about the Bee Gees.
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Well of course the various names are actual trademarks of various DCC manufacturers, so for the Bee Gees it would of course be the Stay(in) Alive.
Then there's this bit (ok technically ABWH):
And when the history of science
Re-writes itself each day
We are living in days of wonder Simon says
So wonderful true believer
So wonderful I'm alive
Just take this world of life
Each day at a time
(You know you are a true Yes fan when you can pick out all the Yes song title references in the previous section of this song)
carl425 Drumguy my apologies to the OP for continuing to hijack this post. You know the thread has been successfully hijacked when you see Doughless's comment about "keep-alive" and try to remember what Yes song mentions anything close to "keep alive". ...Maybe he's confused and is thinking about the Bee Gees.
Drumguy my apologies to the OP for continuing to hijack this post.
That would be "Stayin-Alive", wouldn't it?
How about stayin-alive technology?
- Douglas
DoughlessHow about stayin-alive technology?
I'd hate to hear the loco that implemented that.
rrinkerWhat, no Yes fans here?
Not right away... Not right away. (Plenty of people tried right away, too, which makes it even stranger...)
All these posts and no mention so far, that I can see, of what I think is the Best Right Answer: fix the floor, not all the various accident-prone approaches to it. Cut up some of those kitchen floor mats and if desirable put carpeting over them. Helps in those long operating sessions, too.
carl425 Doughless How about stayin-alive technology?
Doughless How about stayin-alive technology?
Overmodrrinker What, no Yes fans here?
Only Yes songs I know were a few that were popular on the radio. Never bought any Yes albums so radio play is all I know, which ain't many.
Too many groups and not into them all. I cut my teeth more on 70's releases from Pink Floyd, Led Zepplin, ELO, Steve Miller and Alan Parsons Project.
In fact with Alexa in the basement I've been listening to a most of the Alan Parsons Project albums (expanded editions) while doing finishing work.
Speaking of basement finishing, the basement bathroom is coming along; wife has the tile skills - plans to do the floor this weekend.
Once bathroom done, can move onto the basement floor, the last major project to get it finished over a ten month period using weekends and a few days off.
Rio Grande. The Action Road - Focus 1977-1983
riogrande5761Only Yes songs I know were a few that were popular on the radio. Never bought any Yes albums so radio play is all I know, which ain't many. Too many groups and not into them all.
If you like Alan Parsons, you should ask Alexa to find you Refugee, and something from the Patrick Moraz album "The Story of I" (which is actually one of those characters like Prince's 'new name' that would otherwise be unpronounceable). You might also like at least one or two of the tracks on the Yes album 'Relayer'. (Caution: listen to Olias of Sunhillow only at your own risk!)
Once you get past the reedy voice singing nonsense lyrics, there is quite a bit of good in Yes, but it can be an acquired taste.
Music's a lot like model railroading: there are many flavors, you like what you like, and somebody else's "wrong" may not apply to you.
One or two tracks? There's only 3 LOL. To Be Over is definitely worth a listen. Great harmonies, completely understandable and meaningful lyrics. I've seen Jon twice solo now in the past year, such a wonderful show, with a great backing band who is truly into performing.
Seems a waste to carpet areas where people don't walk or stand. And that may just mean the loco doesn't break as much. I do plan to put carpet tiles in the aisles, I can't stand for long period on a cement floor and I doubt very many other can either, or at least enjoy it. But I have to be far from the only one who gets trains moving as soon as possible - part of my process as much as impatience, to thoroughly test all track work before moving on.
OvermodIf you like Alan Parsons, you should ask Alexa to find you Refugee, and something from the Patrick Moraz album "The Story of I" (which is actually one of those characters like Prince's 'new name' that would otherwise be unpronounceable). You might also like at least one or two of the tracks on the Yes album 'Relayer'.
That's like saying "if you like Mozart, you'll like Stravinsky".
My layout is a 2' wide shelf around the walls. To keep my curves wide my track is set back over a foot from the edge. This allows me to have spurs and sidings on either side of the track. In one place I have a spur that is 3" from the edge, but there is a team loading dock between the rail and the edge. I also use shrub scenery close to the edge of the layout for aesthetic purposes.
As one who has seen expensive models hit the floor and be destroyed, on other people's layouts, I allowed a reasonable distance all the way around so that a derailment does not send models to the floor. For me, that distance is 3 to 4 inches, and in more than 10 years, no item of rolling stock has hit my floor.
Maybe some on here don't care about what happens to their equipment, but I have a limited number of expensive (to me) models which would be nearly impossible to replace. In my original design, I wasn't sure that I'd own anything like that, but I provided space anyway just in case.
I also built curves and tunnels that can accommodate anything including double stacks and articulateds, because my friends would want to run them if I didn't.
Through careful testing, I got away with Kato 26.375" radius curves through curved but generous clearance tunnels. Double stacks, Big Boys, EM-1's, 4-12-2's, 2-10-4's: they all fit without speed restrictions.
John
Fortunately my layout is somewhat reversed when it comes running it close to the edge. When you run trains you are in the center of the layout and the trains run around you.
So the train are running against the backdrop which protect them from taking a nose dive to the floor.
Here's an example, you can see the back drop which runs on the outside of the layout, but it does stop and there is some bare track pretty close to the edge.
Here is an example of an ICG engine running right next to the back drop, keeps it safely on the table.
And it's pretty much the same all around. The new layout will have a backdrop all the way around but when the loops turn towards the center it becomes a different story, then the train will be running next to the edge.
There are two areas where the trains run close to the edge, but as Dr. Wayne suggest, we don't run at slot car speeds.
There is the causway that curves at the edge but turns, thus taking it out of harms way, again, my trains run slowly, thus the chances of a train traveling through space to the floor are pretty slim
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You can see the edge here but trains only run at about 10MPH, strict regulations here, never had a accident.
That's how close we are to the edge, but we do so safely. Looking forward to building the new layout, much larger and more space, yet the inside of the horse shoe will have track just three inches from the edge.
Thanks,
Robert Sylvester
Newberry-Columbia Line, SC