I got a Scaletrains SD45 and I doesn't hold a cv that I just wrote. What I mean is once i write cv___ to ___. It goes back to its previous. Sound works as normal but the lights don't function because the function map is all screwed up. I check cv 15 and 16 and they are the same so it isn't locked. I tried on paged and direct mode, with just the NCE powercab, and with the nce usb interface and tried rewriting it with the function map from sxt'swebsite.
It was equipped from factory with sound as I have seen putting in your own decoder to a dcc ready can cause issues.
Is this a user error issue, an issue a lokprogrammer would solve, or just a dead decoder?
Thanks
What do you mean "tried rewriting it with the function map from sxt'swebsite" ?
Have you tried a factory reset on it ? Be sure to do a power cycle after the write. Both CV15 and 16 are set to 0 ?
Mark.
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Dylan,
I agree with, Mark. Perform a factory reset (CV8=8) and be sure to cycle power, as Mark suggested.
Tom
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DylanCutchin1Sound works as normal but the lights don't function because the function map is all screwed up
The first thing I would try is to reset the decoder, CV 8 = 8 I am just about to delve into JMRI. You can see the function map in JMRI? What is screwed up?
DylanCutchin1It was equipped from factory with sound as I have seen putting in your own decoder to a dcc ready can cause issues.
I don't know that I have seen that. "DCC ready" didn't mean much of anything in the early days of DCC. Now it's plug and play.
This is not proof, just anecdotal. I have been a member of the loksound groups.io for a couple years. Lately there have been a lot of DOA loksound recorders.
DylanCutchin1rewriting it with the function map from sxt'swebsite.
I googled SXT and get a sexual health website.
You've been here 5 years and are still under moderation because this is your second post? Step up to the plate. You get what you give. You must have more to share or even ask.
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DylanCutchin1Is this a user error issue, an issue a lokprogrammer would solve, or just a dead decoder?
I do use a LokProgrammer and I've observed the same behavior when programming Loksound 5 decoders. I can't quite put my finger on what the problem is.
One of the first priorities after I install an ESU decoder is to select a proper bell and horn for the locomotive it is used on. When I write a change into CV 163 say to choose a horn type or CV 164 for a bell, then read it back everything is OK and the correct bell and horn sound fine.
If I make further CV changes using the other panes in the Lokprogrammer software the horn and bell CVs get rewritten back to their defaults. It seems like they are being overridden by selections made in the 'sound slots' tab.
I really need to get more familiar with using the hugely complex sound selection tab. I rarely use Decoder Pro for ESU changes.
To try to get back to the default function map a reset is probably your best option.
BigDaddyI googled SXT and get a sexual health website.
Scale Trains has the .esux sound project available on their site but you DO need to have a Lokprogrammer to install it.
https://www.scaletrains.com/rivet-counter-ho-scale-emd-sd45-conrail-r2.html
Scroll to open Support tab.
Good Luck, Ed
gmpullman One of the first priorities after I install an ESU decoder is to select a proper bell and horn for the locomotive it is used on. When I write a change into CV 163 say to choose a horn type or CV 164 for a bell, then read it back everything is OK and the correct bell and horn sound fine. If I make further CV changes using the other panes in the Lokprogrammer software the horn and bell CVs get rewritten back to their defaults. It seems like they are being overridden by selections made in the 'sound slots' tab.
One of the first priorities after I install an ESU decoder is to select a proper bell and horn for the locomotive it is used on. When I write a change into CV 163 say to choose a horn type or CV 164 for a bell, then read it back everything is OK and the correct bell and horn sound fine. If I make further CV changes using the other panes in the Lokprogrammer software the horn and bell CVs get rewritten back to their defaults. It seems like they are being overridden by selections made in the 'sound slots' tab.
If you are manually changing actual individual CVs in the Lokprogrammer, they are not saved. You need to go to the proper panes and use the provided drop boxes, sliders, etc. to make the changes.
I think this means the OP does not have a lokprogrammer
ESU recommends using Direct mode for programming, using a programming track.
https://dccwiki.com/Decoder_Reset#ESU
https://dccwiki.com/Programming_ESU_Decoders
Hey Mark, when I first got the model, that was the firsr thing I did, no luck with that. What I mean when I say i rewrote the function map is that I generate the list from the loksound file on sxts website and used jmri to write it to the decoder in paged mode. Cycled the power, and when I read the cvs back, they were unchanged
I am not sure if it was DOA, I bought this used, the guy I bought it from received it not working aswell and thats about all I know.
gmpullman DylanCutchin1 Is this a user error issue, an issue a lokprogrammer would solve, or just a dead decoder? I do use a LokProgrammer and I've observed the same behavior when programming Loksound 5 decoders. I can't quite put my finger on what the problem is. One of the first priorities after I install an ESU decoder is to select a proper bell and horn for the locomotive it is used on. When I write a change into CV 163 say to choose a horn type or CV 164 for a bell, then read it back everything is OK and the correct bell and horn sound fine. If I make further CV changes using the other panes in the Lokprogrammer software the horn and bell CVs get rewritten back to their defaults. It seems like they are being overridden by selections made in the 'sound slots' tab. I really need to get more familiar with using the hugely complex sound selection tab. I rarely use Decoder Pro for ESU changes. To try to get back to the default function map a reset is probably your best option. BigDaddy I googled SXT and get a sexual health website. Scale Trains has the .esux sound project available on their site but you DO need to have a Lokprogrammer to install it. https://www.scaletrains.com/rivet-counter-ho-scale-emd-sd45-conrail-r2.html Scroll to open Support tab. Good Luck, Ed
DylanCutchin1 Is this a user error issue, an issue a lokprogrammer would solve, or just a dead decoder?
BigDaddy I googled SXT and get a sexual health website.
All I can use right now is Decoder pro as I don't want to spend the 150 on the lokprogrammer without having an idea that it could fix my problems. But you mentioned the sound files being overwritten. That isn't exactly what my problem is, all sounds work perfect, start, shut down, horn, prime mover, etc; my problem lies only within lighting functions.
-Thanks!
Dylan
betamax ESU recommends using Direct mode for programming, using a programming track.
Yeah I saw that and tried that, still no success with the cv changes.
DylanCutchin1 I am not sure if it was DOA, I bought this used, the guy I bought it from received it not working aswell and thats about all I know.
I should clarify, the guy I bought it from also bought it used, and he received it where the lights wouldn't work and sold it because he couldn't figure it out.
If you take the shell off there are two things you can do. One is; use a meter and check for voltage at the light output. Do not check the lights with a coin battery while they are in the circuit. Two; Jumper as close as you can get to (a) the decoder power in connections and (b) to the programming track rails. This will bypass any marginal connections that reduce the programming voltage. Make sure you do not cross the wires and dead short anything.
Lee
Lee 1234 If you take the shell off there are two things you can do. One is; use a meter and check for voltage at the light output. Do not check the lights with a coin battery while they are in the circuit. Two; Jumper as close as you can get to (a) the decoder power in connections and (b) to the programming track rails. This will bypass any marginal connections that reduce the programming voltage. Make sure you do not cross the wires and dead short anything.
Sorry for the late responses, been busy with school and working on my car. I am going to try this today.
Thanks for the help so far.
-Dylan
Ok I was programming today (I was unable to do my cv axle change because of missing parts) and on JMRI when I tried to program the functions again by bridging the decoder as you said, it was able to program the 'Condition' table but none of the other tables (see picture attached https://ibb.co/BNRB3Kw ); the tables turn red meaning something got messed up along the way. Does this mean that the decoder is kinda dead because it still functions, but just not completely? I tried this on two separate computers with a fresh install of JMRI both showed red.
Sorry in advance admins if this isn't how you add pictures, I wasn't too sure how to use the insert image functions
DylanCutchin1Sorry in advance admins if this isn't how you add pictures, I wasn't too sure how to use the insert image functions
It isn't. If you right click the image in ibb.com, copy picture link, click on the picture icon in this forum and paste your picture. See below.
You haven't said whether you tried a reset, although I think your problem may be deeper than that. As to Ed's point, I am seeing more problems with the V-5 in the ESU forum. I'm not sure if it's a quality control issue or a hardware problem. I have on other suggestions.
BigDaddy DylanCutchin1 Sorry in advance admins if this isn't how you add pictures, I wasn't too sure how to use the insert image functions It isn't. If you right click the image in ibb.com, copy picture link, click on the picture icon in this forum and paste your picture. See below. You haven't said whether you tried a reset, although I think your problem may be deeper than that. As to Ed's point, I am seeing more problems with the V-5 in the ESU forum. I'm not sure if it's a quality control issue or a hardware problem. I have on other suggestions.
DylanCutchin1 Sorry in advance admins if this isn't how you add pictures, I wasn't too sure how to use the insert image functions
Thanks for the formatting help! I did try resetting the decoder. I followed what it said in the sxt manual of don't use POM, use paged mode, and cycle power off for 5 seconds before turning it back on. Some good news is that my friend just got a lokprogrammer so I am going to try a fresh install of soundfiles and cv functions ans hopefully that fixes my issues. I also did some reading and heard about DOA decoders but this would be a first for me. I have one other sxt with no problems and my friends have a total of a dozen and a half sxt locos that work fine so it does seem this issue is extremely rare.
DylanCutchin1 Thanks for the formatting help! I did try resetting the decoder. I followed what it said in the sxt manual of don't use POM, use paged mode, and cycle power off for 5 seconds before turning it back on. Some good news is that my friend just got a lokprogrammer so I am going to try a fresh install of soundfiles and cv functions ans hopefully that fixes my issues. I also did some reading and heard about DOA decoders but this would be a first for me. I have one other sxt with no problems and my friends have a total of a dozen and a half sxt locos that work fine so it does seem this issue is extremely rare.
I tried my friends lokprogrammer, wouldnt change the CVs still and tried upload the entire file from sxt. No luck. I think im calling it quits and sending it back to sxt.