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Kato terminal joiners and DCC

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, March 15, 2023 12:43 PM

OldEngineman
In my experience with Unitrack (HO), I just used Kato 24-818 terminal unijoiners for "under-track" connections. I also used 24-827 3-way extension cords (instead of "a bus") to connect to 2 or 3 locations (4x8 layout, based on the "Black River Junction" plan with some modifications). The standard Kato Unijoiners work so well, no soldering is needed and you don't have to space the feeders that close together.

This is all the same experience I have had.

Kato HO unitrack is an excellent product.

The WGH track plan requires no special wiring considerations. More feeders are always better, but not always needed.

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Posted by 1trackmind on Wednesday, March 15, 2023 11:49 AM

Thanks a lot for the info!

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Posted by wjstix on Wednesday, March 15, 2023 9:04 AM

1trackmind

So you're saying I can connect the 24 AWG wire from the Kato terminal track straingt into the 8 amp Super Chief command station and everything should work just fine? That thin wire can handle the power?

 

 
Basically, yes. Larger wire has less resistance so works better on a large layout, but if you're doing a small layout it really isn't required. You probably will still want several track power connections spread around the layout, but if you aren't doing blocks you could connect all the negatives and positives from the tracks and then connect one wire from each to the DCC system.
 
It's not like DCC is like the current coming out of your wallsockets, it's only around 14 volts with low amperage. An engine with a can motor and a sound decoder is only going to pull like .3-.5 amps, the 8 amps just means you can run a lot of engines at the same time if you want to. When I started in DCC I had a 6' by 16' HO DC layout, wired with the thin Model Power hobby wire. To convert to DCC, I just connected my Digitrax Zephyr to the wires that had been connected to one of the DC power packs. It worked fine, and I think the Zephyr is only like 1 or 2 amps.
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Posted by BigDaddy on Monday, March 13, 2023 11:58 AM

8 amps, I think you need a circuit breaker.  The command station normally only puts out what the engines need.  However if you run through a closed switch and have a short, it can put out all 8 amps.

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Posted by 1trackmind on Monday, March 13, 2023 10:31 AM

So you're saying I can connect the 24 AWG wire from the Kato terminal track straingt into the 8 amp Super Chief command station and everything should work just fine? That thin wire can handle the power?

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Posted by wjstix on Monday, March 13, 2023 10:15 AM

Yes, how you connect the power to the track doesn't really matter, it's the same for DC or DCC. The sources talking about soldering the connections to the track are assuming you'd be using flextrack. With Unitrack, Kato terminal joiners or the straight tracks with power wires coming out the side ("Feeder Track 2-151") will work fine. 

As far as how many connections you need, you may want to do some trial-and-error and see. A great thing about Unitrack is it's easy to change things as you go. Unlike flextrack, you don't need to fasten the track down for it to work. Try a few connections spread out over the layout and see how it works. If you find spots where trains slow down, add a connection there.

You can connect the wires under the benchwork to a power bus with heavy gauge wire etc. but it's not a requirement for DCC, it just helps distribute the power over a large area better. If you're just building a small layout with no separate blocks or reverse loops, you don't really have to do it that way. You can just connect the wires from one rail to one terminal, and the other rail's to the other terminal.

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Posted by 1trackmind on Monday, March 13, 2023 8:41 AM

OldEngineman, Your response is intriguing. Are you running dcc or dc? Would it be possible to see a pic or two of the underside of your layout? I have a Digitrax Super Chief Extra 8 amp dcc system I bought a long time ago that I intend to use for dcc if I go that route. 

The current layout in progress is a 4x8, but it will grow to at least one more 4x8 plus about a 16 foot straight run connecting the two tables, but for now I am just focused on the one table before expanding.

 

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Posted by OldEngineman on Sunday, March 12, 2023 9:56 PM

1track...

You haven't told us how large the layout is going to be.

In my experience with Unitrack (HO), I just used Kato 24-818 terminal unijoiners for "under-track" connections.

I also used 24-827 3-way extension cords (instead of "a bus") to connect to 2 or 3 locations (4x8 layout, based on the "Black River Junction" plan with some modifications).

The standard Kato Unijoiners work so well, no soldering is needed and you don't have to space the feeders that close together.

TIPS about installing the electrical unijoiners:

See the little piece of black tape near the rail joiners? CUT IT. Then, separate the white and blue wires for about 2-3 inches. Makes them much easier to handle. Also, if you need to break apart the joint at some point, there's less chance of pulling the wires out of the joiners.

Drill a hole that is not directly under the joint, but rather 2-3 inches on either side. Gives you "more room to work".

I would recommend that you get something called a "Tamiya Adapter Pin Wire Removal Tool (Type: Small Tamiya). It looks like this: https://www.evike.com/products/26956/

Now, you can "punch out" the wires so they'll fit through a smaller hole in the table. This works for the switch motor wires, as well.

I found that by using the "from the underside" wiring on track and switches, the wires provide enough of "an anchor" so that I didn't have to glue or fasten the track to the surface. It just stays where it is. Hasn't moved in 4+ years.

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Posted by betamax on Sunday, March 12, 2023 11:08 AM

Yes, you can use suitcase connectors, be sure to get good ones and they need to have the correct wire size capabilities too.

You are going to need to feed the track about every three feet, maybe more often, as you cannot rely on rail joiners to carry the current reliably. The secret to DCC is good wiring!

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Kato terminal joiners and DCC
Posted by 1trackmind on Sunday, March 12, 2023 10:32 AM

Hello!

I am building a HO layout using Kato Unitrack. I do NOT want to solder...I want to keep things simple as soldering is not simple for me. The layout is the Kato WGH plan set. I will be expanding this in the future. My question is, can I just use Kato terminal joiners instead of soldering feeder wire, and use suitcase connectors to connect the terminal wires to the buss wire underneath, so I can run dcc? If so, how often do I need a terminal joiner?

Thanks for your reply!

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