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Posted by gregc on Friday, October 28, 2022 9:23 AM

hon30critter
That's a nice scene

credit the members of the Maryland & West Virginia Model Railway Association (Cumberland, MD).   that section of track models Sandpatch on the CSX, ex B&O in Pa 

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Posted by hon30critter on Friday, October 28, 2022 6:30 AM

That's a nice scene Greg!

Dave

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Posted by gregc on Wednesday, October 26, 2022 9:02 PM

not sure what to expect as far as quality.   photo is before the voltage was dropped to 3V.

what got me into trouble was the wire lengths weren't the same, the soldered resistor wires weren't trimmed and shorted

detail isn't as important as function.   signals at the tunnel let the operator know the block after the tunnel and around the bend, blocked from view is unoccupied

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Posted by gmpullman on Wednesday, October 26, 2022 6:42 PM

Now that I see a photo I think I can recognize the signal as being one of those made by an eBay seller a few years ago. I bought a few and was sorely disappointed in the build "quality". The ladder made of clipped hardware cloth is what clued me in.

They were poorly wired and some of the LEDs were sub-par. I had a B&O color position signal similar to yours and the colors of the paired LEDs were not matched at all and made for a rather poor "aspect".

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, October 24, 2022 7:02 AM

Alright, alright, alright.

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Posted by gregc on Monday, October 24, 2022 6:58 AM

the gods are kind today, the CA debonder worked and the LEDs are removed

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Posted by gregc on Monday, October 24, 2022 5:16 AM

wrench567
Without it in front of me it's hard picture. If they are standard 3mm LEDs they may be soldered to a board. Does the back of the signal come off? Who made it? An Email to the manufacturer could help.

the question is how to remove the LEDs from the signal which appear to be glued

the LED is exposed both in the front and back where wires are soldered.

the signal where the LEDs are mounted is not metal.  appears purple.   worried acetone may deform it

don't know who made it.  Tomar says it's not one of their's but may have replacement LEDs.

 

yes.   tried identifying the 2 sets of wires before cleaning up the poorly soldered resistors.   the shrink wrap was already on the bench

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Posted by hon30critter on Monday, October 24, 2022 4:15 AM

Hi Greg,

My solution for burned out LEDs was to first slap myself very hard in my forehead several times (in other words, if an LED burned out then it was almost certainly my own fault), and then reach for the drill.

You will be forgiven if you don't slap yourself in the forehead, at least for the first incident, but after that I would suggest some serious training on how to focus on your electronics!!!Smile, Wink & GrinLaughLaughLaughClown

Sorry for being rather flippant. I have burned out enough LEDs in my time that Tylenol is now part of my regular hobby supplies!

Cheers!!

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Sunday, October 23, 2022 8:08 PM

I keep a supply of magnet wire around for signals.  The very thin, laquer-covered wire allows the multitude of wires to fit through the typical thin signal shafts.

It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse. 

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Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, October 23, 2022 7:26 PM

Are the signal heads brass or styrene? You mention position signal and this leads me to conclude they are the PRR, B&O or N&W style like those offered in styrene from Oregon Railway supply. If they're Tomar or NJI they could be brass and easier to clean out the old LED and glue residue.

I recently removed three bi-color LEDs from a brass Tomar signal. It was a three-head searchlight type and I put red LEDs in the top and bottom "arm" and a tri-color array in the middle arm.

 LED_tri-color by Edmund, on Flickr

It was pretty straightforward to pry out the original LEDs and replace them with 1.2 mm LEDs. For the center LED group I had to first slice off the top of a diffused LED to use as a "lens". This I held in place with a tiny bit of canopy cement (PVA). Once cured I then could position the tiny, three LED array from Evan Designs.

 IMG_2684 by Edmund, on Flickr

If your head is styrene I wouldn't try to salvage it unless the original cement was PVA which could be cleaned out without damage. If CA I wouldn't bother and use the signal head in a scrap pile along side the M-of-W shed.

Good Luck, Ed

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Posted by wrench567 on Sunday, October 23, 2022 7:24 PM

 . Greg.

 Without it in front of me it's hard picture. If they are standard 3mm LEDs they may be soldered to a board. Does the back of the signal come off? Who made it? An Email to the manufacturer could help.

    Pete.

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replacing LED in signal
Posted by gregc on Sunday, October 23, 2022 4:01 PM

any suggestions for replacing burnt out LEDs in a position signal?

tried acetone. haven't tried CA debonder. considering drill them out

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