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ROCCO n gauge Austria diesel locomotives erratic operation

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Posted by Spalato68 on Sunday, January 16, 2022 8:05 AM

You give up too easy.

If this is DC locomotive, it is even easier to check where the problem is. Now when you have some documentation about this model, what you can do is to dissasemble it completely, you know design of it.

Check both trucks (when removed they must roll freely), if any wire is loose or almost loose, or if wheels do not touch leaf/spring contacts, or those are dirty. Secondly, remove the motor and connect it to DC source directly - it should rotate in both directions as you change polarity, and when voltage is changed, rotation speed should change too (without excessive sparking / smoke from commutator). If motor does not start to spin when voltage is applied but does start to spin when you push it with your finger, then either there is a problem with brushes/brush spring (remove all, clean, and put back - tricky but can be done - if brushes are old, you need new ones), or there is a problem with rotor winding. If rotor winding is a problem, well that is very difficult to repair (especially because it is 5 pole rotor). In that case you need new original motor, or alternatives, which are available. 

Try first to dissasemble everything and check as described above - and do not hesitate, this is not a rocket science, regard this as learning opportunity Stick out tongue

Hrvoje

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Posted by Dave K on Tuesday, January 11, 2022 9:20 AM

Dave K

 Gacve up on this repair as the power path from the wheels to the motor was poor.

 

DMK

 
Dave K

Made solder repair but have poor continuity from wheels to motor.  Gave up on repair and will mek engines into dummies.

DMK

 

 
Spalato68

Hi,

exact item number and picture of locomotive and packaging would be very helpful. Not very much of spare parts of older Roco locomotives are available, but to try to establish if and how much is available, you need item number (in case you need spare parts). Thru that you can download from Roco web site even explosion diagram of related locomotive, which can be helpful not just for spare parts ordering, but also how to dissasemble it. 

Also, it is important to know that Roco has ceased to manufacture model trains in "N" scale but has bought Fleischmann brand, and beside Fleischmann N locomotives, also some of Roco N locomotives are now available under "Fleischmann" brand, although they could be slightly technically modified. So thru now "Fleischmann" locomotive you can access data for certain Roco N locomotive (not all, but some). For example, Roco OBB 1044 is now Fleischmann OBB 1044. Item list is here, use instructions here. At least use instructions can provide you some help. 

Hrvoje

 

 

 

Drawing was a great help.

 

DMK

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Dave K on Monday, January 10, 2022 8:17 AM

Dave K

Made solder repair but have poor continuity from wheels to motor.  Gave up on repair and will mek engines into dummies.

DMK

 

 
Spalato68

Hi,

exact item number and picture of locomotive and packaging would be very helpful. Not very much of spare parts of older Roco locomotives are available, but to try to establish if and how much is available, you need item number (in case you need spare parts). Thru that you can download from Roco web site even explosion diagram of related locomotive, which can be helpful not just for spare parts ordering, but also how to dissasemble it. 

Also, it is important to know that Roco has ceased to manufacture model trains in "N" scale but has bought Fleischmann brand, and beside Fleischmann N locomotives, also some of Roco N locomotives are now available under "Fleischmann" brand, although they could be slightly technically modified. So thru now "Fleischmann" locomotive you can access data for certain Roco N locomotive (not all, but some). For example, Roco OBB 1044 is now Fleischmann OBB 1044. Item list is here, use instructions here. At least use instructions can provide you some help. 

Hrvoje

 

 

 

Drawing was a great help.

 

DMK

 

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Posted by Dave K on Sunday, January 9, 2022 9:42 AM

Spalato68

Hi,

exact item number and picture of locomotive and packaging would be very helpful. Not very much of spare parts of older Roco locomotives are available, but to try to establish if and how much is available, you need item number (in case you need spare parts). Thru that you can download from Roco web site even explosion diagram of related locomotive, which can be helpful not just for spare parts ordering, but also how to dissasemble it. 

Also, it is important to know that Roco has ceased to manufacture model trains in "N" scale but has bought Fleischmann brand, and beside Fleischmann N locomotives, also some of Roco N locomotives are now available under "Fleischmann" brand, although they could be slightly technically modified. So thru now "Fleischmann" locomotive you can access data for certain Roco N locomotive (not all, but some). For example, Roco OBB 1044 is now Fleischmann OBB 1044. Item list is here, use instructions here. At least use instructions can provide you some help. 

Hrvoje

 

Drawing was a great help.

 

DMK

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Posted by Spalato68 on Tuesday, January 4, 2022 12:10 PM

Hi,

exact item number and picture of locomotive and packaging would be very helpful. Not very much of spare parts of older Roco locomotives are available, but to try to establish if and how much is available, you need item number (in case you need spare parts). Thru that you can download from Roco web site even explosion diagram of related locomotive, which can be helpful not just for spare parts ordering, but also how to dissasemble it. 

Also, it is important to know that Roco has ceased to manufacture model trains in "N" scale but has bought Fleischmann brand, and beside Fleischmann N locomotives, also some of Roco N locomotives are now available under "Fleischmann" brand, although they could be slightly technically modified. So thru now "Fleischmann" locomotive you can access data for certain Roco N locomotive (not all, but some). For example, Roco OBB 1044 is now Fleischmann OBB 1044. Item list is here, use instructions here. At least use instructions can provide you some help. 

Hrvoje

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Posted by Dave K on Tuesday, January 4, 2022 10:21 AM

How is the body removed? There are two screws going into the body.

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, January 3, 2022 1:08 PM

Check the pickup continuity from the wheels up to the motor.  Pull the shell and inspect the motor and brushes.  Clean, then where appropriate and as appropriate lubricate the motor and drive components.

There are other running issues caused by things like defective gears or misaligned retainers, and we have threads on them (search using the correct spelling 'ROCO').  Once you've checked the obvious, we can start looking for zebras... Smile

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ROCCO n gauge Austria diesel locomotives erratic operation
Posted by Dave K on Monday, January 3, 2022 11:22 AM

Purchased two identical ROCCO locos ffrom eBay and they both operate errattically.

Start/stop, need to push, etc.  Wheels and track were cleaned.  Other locos are fine.

Suggestions for a fix?

DMK

 

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