No it isn't a Mabuchi. It was all I could find at the time that was close and had dual shafts. Ordered some of the FK-280SA-14200 from Amazon twice and got single shafted Mabuchi Motors. They refunded the money and let me keep the 3 motors not sure what I will do with them.
I have a pair of those motors on order off eBay due late next month. It is slightly larger than the Mabuchi but very close to the specs.Mel My Model Railroad http://melvineperry.blogspot.com/ Bakersfield, California I'm beginning to realize that aging is not for wimps.
hornblower DRGWGJCO Package left Utah yesterday. Should be here this week will post photos Any news yet?
DRGWGJCO Package left Utah yesterday. Should be here this week will post photos
Any news yet?
Uh Yeah. After an investigation Pay Pal refunded my money.
I did get these however will see how they do.
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mKLFoBP
Had to take the outer metal cover off to fit but I don't even know why it's there.
Anyone else use these motors?
DRGWGJCOPackage left Utah yesterday. Should be here this week will post photos
Hornblower
garya This Kato-style motor is available: https://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-12V-24V-High-Speed-5-Pole-Rotor-Micro-Motor-Dual-2mm-Shaft-DIY-RC-Car-Boat-/192641701962?hash=item2cda57184a Might work.
This Kato-style motor is available:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-12V-24V-High-Speed-5-Pole-Rotor-Micro-Motor-Dual-2mm-Shaft-DIY-RC-Car-Boat-/192641701962?hash=item2cda57184a
Might work.
These use to look exactly like the Kato HM5 motors. Not sure why they changed the style. (my ebay purchase history links to the quoted motors now if I were to re-buy the HM5 looking ones)
Anyhow, I purchased 40 of the original style assuming they would "disapear" from availability at some point.
I used them in my most egregious Athearn RTR's (couple SD50 coffee grinders and a couple SD40T-2 clickers) and they all are whisper quiet with the Kato knock offs. I use them along with A-Line hex flywheels (exact same as Athearns).
If the quoted ones are as smooth and quiet as the previous style, these motors are very nice.
Package left Utah yesterday. Should be here this week will post photos
Looks promising got a notification from USPS about the shipment.
Will do.
That's realistic shipping when it's not subsidized like China to US is. Plus if you order over $40 from them, shipping is free. And even with $25 shipping, it's $3.80 per motor - total cost is what matters.
--Randy
Modeling the Reading Railroad in the 1950's
Visit my web site at www.readingeastpenn.com for construction updates, DCC Info, and more.
Let us know when your order arrives, I couldn’t find any info anywhere on the seller. $25 for shipping turned me off, I was going to order some until I saw the shipping cost.Mel My Model Railroad http://melvineperry.blogspot.com/ Bakersfield, California I'm beginning to realize that aging is not for wimps.
I just ordered 10 for $38 including shipping. So 3.80 a piece from. These guys.
https://www.tnetocury.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=541213
Try to put just one drop of good oil (e.g. Labelle) on each shaft bearing. It could make a difference. Those motors come totaly dry. I have two, they are more quiet than some Roco motors (those used in Genesis locomotives).
If you want silent motor, then it is not easy to avoid coreless motors. They are more expensive, but with a good reason. With good DCC decoder (e.g. ESU, Zimo), they will provide running characteristics that are very difficult to match by iron core motors. But replacement of standard iron core motor with coreless one can cause new problems - only then it is possible to notice that gears, contact wipers, linkage (at steam locomotives) also contribute to "noise".
One example of contact wiper "noise" can be heard here, this is my last conversion of Fleischmann steam locomotive from old three pole pancake motor to Japanese coreless motor:
Motor and gears cannot be heard - only contact wipers (on loco wheels, those on tender wheels are silent) and rolling of wheels on tracks. This motor was bought on ebay, for approximately 3-4 USD. Obviously a consequence of mass production.
Here is example of slow speed performance of Roco locomotive with Escap coreless motor and Zimo decoder.
Hrvoje
Spalato68 Hornblower, you can try this one: https://www.aliexpress.com/i/33049650588.html It costs less than 1 USD, so no risk. According to my experience, it comes unlubricated, so add ONE drop of oil at each bearing before use. I bought it just out of curiosity, but it seems to be just fine motor. It has carbon brushes, so it should be durable. Rotor is skew wound (meaning cogging is negligible), therefore it works well with DCC decoders, I tried it and found no issues. Hrvoje
Hornblower, you can try this one:
https://www.aliexpress.com/i/33049650588.html
I have some of those. Torquey, powerful, cheap, but sound like a big block Ford with it's headers uncapped at a certain mid range speed. Dan
Over the last year or so I have ordered about a dozen cheapie motors off eBay trying to find usable motors for my HO locomotives. I use the Canon EN22 as my reference motor. I found the Canon specs to be very accurate.I created a MEL mini motor dynamometer using a Mabuchi SF-266SA 1G160 as a generator with a shunt current meter. The meter is a 5 digit 0-3 amps. I calibrated the output against the Canon EN22 for my reference. It spots a puny motor instantly. So far the best 7200 RPM Single Shaft motor I’ve found is the Mabuchi SF-266SA 1G160.The best Athearn replacement 12300 RPM dual shaft motor I’ve found is the Mabuchi SK-280 14200.The best thing to look for in the listings is Stall Current, minimum 1 amp at 12 volts stall current is the best quickie identification for power.Canon EN22 locked rotor Current 1.10 Amps.Mabuchi SF-266SA 1G160 locked rotor 1.2 Amps.Mabuchi SK-280SA 14200 locked rotor 1.4 Amps.
The currents above are not manufacture published specs, those are Mel measured currents at 12 volts.Mel My Model Railroad http://melvineperry.blogspot.com/ Bakersfield, California I'm beginning to realize that aging is not for wimps.
They do on the product specifications for each model, even though it's not encoded in the model number. Can't even really calculate it since they don't mention amps, though you do get the wire size (and can figure resistence) and number of turns (can probably get pretty close to length with the armature size).
That implies you can get two motors with identical model numbers that are rated at different voltages, though in practice I think they will just make one and rate the voltage at the maximum the windings can withstand without melting, and give you the RPM at that voltage. If a motor is listed at 18 volts but is a little fast, at a max of 12 volrs it might be fine.
Even the Mabuchi Motor Chart doesn’t mention voltage, RPM or shaft.https://www.mabuchi-motor.com/product/knowledge/classification/designations.html Mel My Model Railroad http://melvineperry.blogspot.com/ Bakersfield, California I'm beginning to realize that aging is not for wimps.
4000 RPM at 12 volts won’t cut the mustard in an Athearn looking for 12000 RPM.It has to be the FK-280SA 14200 for the correct RPM for an Athearn. Mabuchi must have dozens of motors using the 280 reference with dozens of RPM.
Mel My Model Railroad http://melvineperry.blogspot.com/ Bakersfield, California I'm beginning to realize that aging is not for wimps.
What about this one:
Mitsumi 280
P.S.
Unfortunately, it is too slow (4000 RPM/12 V). Sorry.
I ordered one of those before they became unavailable. It would work but it doesn’t have the same power the stall current is 800ma. The FK-280 stall current is 1.4A. The FS-266SA is 1.12A. The Canon EN22 is 1.10A. All at 12 volts.The FK-280SA 14200 motors are listed as available off Amazon but pricy.https://www.amazon.com/Motors-FK-280SA-14200-Speed-Shaft-Motor/dp/B089ZHBXWY/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=FK-280SA+14200&qid=1607314000&s=office-products&sr=1-1I think they will become available on eBay if we are patient. Mel My Model Railroad http://melvineperry.blogspot.com/ Bakersfield, California I'm beginning to realize that aging is not for wimps.
Gary
I don’t think it’s worth the effort because of the low RPM of the 266 motor. There are several dual shaft motors out there that turn at 7200 RPM, the Athearns need 12K RPM to run at normal Athearn speed.Also as I have shown in the earlier post pictured above you can put two 266 motors back to back in an Athearn frame, double the power but still at reduced RPM. I have two Athearn SD40-2 frames with dual 266 motors installed and they run very good at slow speed, about scale 50 to 60 MPH max speed because of the lower RPM. I guess we will just have to be patient and wait to see if the FK-280SA 14200 returns Mel My Model Railroad http://melvineperry.blogspot.com/ Bakersfield, California I'm beginning to realize that aging is not for wimps.
The motors I was seeing were 280s with over 14K RPM spec (I found them with a simple Google search on the old motor code). Those seemed likely (to me) to be the single-shaft version of the motors in question.
I suspect you'd need to make a jig analogous to some of the ones for vacuum-cleaner-motor service: something holding the armature pole sections and the end of the comm solid and square as the press pushes the shaft. It would be interesting to see how Mabuchi gets these shafts located and then trues the armature up for high RPM... I have a grim suspicion the armature is pressed on the shaft before the commutator, with the electrical connections made afterwards.
It's possible we'd have to check and adjust rotating balance of the armature after displacing the shaft. Normal static balance on knife edges is a start; I suspect it wouldn't be rocket science to build a dynamic rig that would mark imbalance as a spot on each edge of the armature stack for a little spot grinding...
rrinker You'd have to fit a bearing in the commutator end, and also figure out how to press the shaft through both the rotor and the commutator without crushing the commutator. --Randy
You'd have to fit a bearing in the commutator end, and also figure out how to press the shaft through both the rotor and the commutator without crushing the commutator.
RandyIt looks like there is a bearing in the motor shell or end bell. I haven’t taken one apart as of yet.
Even if that works it doesn't change the RPM problem. Mel My Model Railroad http://melvineperry.blogspot.com/ Bakersfield, California I'm beginning to realize that aging is not for wimps.
OvermodDo you think it’s doable?There is another problem, the 266 is 7200RPM at 12 volts and the 280 is 13800RPM at 12 volts. The Atheran motor is 12800RPM at 12 volts. Mel My Model Railroad http://melvineperry.blogspot.com/ Bakersfield, California I'm beginning to realize that aging is not for wimps.
As a potentially very stupid question:
I see the single-shaft version of this motor (used among other things for automobile lock motors) still readily available, often with pre-knurled shaft on one end.
Has anyone tried polishing down some of that knurl if need be, and using a press or staking tool to press the shaft to give shorter 'double shafts' (that still appear long enough to take most universal ends or other devices)?
These iron core motors are coming and going in circles, I am sure after a while, you will catch them again. I noticed that already, some of motors I bought were available in large numbers, then dissapear for some time, then come again. It is not easy to find good dual shaft motor, so when available, it is better to grab more and have some reserve for later - iron core or coreless.