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Soundtraxx current keeper

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Posted by know2go on Monday, April 27, 2020 11:31 AM

prostocktrainguy

Can a current keeper be installed into any engine with dcc?

 

Installed in any DCC engine? Theoretically, there's no reason why not.

Things to watch:

1/ measure the available space inside - the ST CK is quite bulky

2/ there's plenty of schematics online, Yes, but there may not be one for your particular loco; and if there's no socket to plug it into, one has to be comfortable with using a DMM (to find the +/- output points of the rectifier bridge) and have good soldering skills (once you find those points, you'll need to solder your CK wires onto the decoder PWB - this requires some skill)

3/ CK 'blue' wire goes to bridge '+' point; CK 'black' wire goes to bridge (-) point

That's it. One note however.

Even with latest technology decoders and motors and at standard HO track voltage around 14.4 V, CK discharge current will be @100 mA. At this rate and voltage, the theoretical max discharge time will be 6 sec, and not the marketed 10 sec. In my case it was 1.5 sec (with all new decoders and motors, discharge current @70 mA), before I started modifying the things.

With older motors, the discharge time should be expected to be shorter.

Just sharing my experience, so don't be surprized or upset. Just learn and move on! :)

Good luck!

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Posted by BigDaddy on Tuesday, April 7, 2020 2:53 AM

Thanks Randy. 

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, April 6, 2020 7:53 PM

 If you can find the negative side of the power circuit, you can connect the current keeper. No different than any other decoder. That's the hardest part about trying to connect one to a decoder that didn't come with the option for one.

 Can certainly get better sound and drive performacne from a newer decoder - sound especially, as those old decoders are 8 bit low bitrate sound, and can only play 3 sounds at once. Not to mention the microcontroller is somewhat overloaded with the sound playing, so blowing the horn with BEMF turned on makes them slow down - the processor doesn't have enough horesepower to play sounds AND do the BEMF calculations at the same time.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Monday, April 6, 2020 7:43 PM

rrinker
That will have an early Digitrax sound decoder in it. Unless it has been swapped out.

I thought the date might be significant but I don't know.  What does that mean for the OP, could he get better performance from a newer decoder?  Will it still accept the current keeper?

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, April 6, 2020 7:36 PM

 That will have an early Digitrax sound decoder in it. Unless it has been swapped out.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Monday, April 6, 2020 6:07 PM

We have dueling threads.

http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/744/t/281683.aspx

The OP has a Tower 55, which I hadn't heard of, but is a line of plastic locos from Overland reviewed in MR in 2006

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Posted by richg1998 on Monday, April 6, 2020 3:22 PM

One example. Shrink wrapped decoders will be difficult.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0cXXBtPFmY

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Posted by wvg_ca on Monday, April 6, 2020 3:13 PM

prostocktrainguy

Can a current keeper be installed into any engine with dcc?

well, yes , but ...

The ground pad will need to exposed, they all have them, but some are not labelled / exposed ... The positive normally goes to the blue [positive common]

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Posted by Mark R. on Monday, April 6, 2020 3:08 PM

This site covers a good portion of decoders (sound and non-sound) and how to attach a stay alive capacitor to them ....

http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/mainnorth/alive.htm

Mark.

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Posted by richg1998 on Monday, April 6, 2020 2:45 PM

Usually but check the SoiundTraxx site for instructions if you are new to DCC. Decoder installs vary.

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Soundtraxx current keeper
Posted by prostocktrainguy on Friday, April 3, 2020 1:33 PM

Can a current keeper be installed into any engine with dcc?

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