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higher density wire connections?
Posted by gregc on Friday, March 13, 2020 8:22 AM

the image below shows what I'm use to working with.   But for multiple dispatcher panels, i wonder if there is a higher density connector available?   telco punch down blocks come to mind

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, March 13, 2020 9:34 AM

 For low current applications - nothing wrong with telco punchdown blocks. Just keep track of a color code, and/or write small, there's not a lot of room to write a labl for each connection. Typically all that ever gets written is a 4 or 5 digit extension number for a pair of wires.

 Using 50 pair cable keeps the runs between the panel and the layout neat, too, all nicely cabled together - but there is one gotcha, 50 pair cable has 2 sets of each color combination. ANother way to do it, if you need that many wires, is the punch blocks with the 50 pin conenctor, and use a 50 pin cable to another punch block under the layout. Then the pair on the panel's punch block at position 1 is the same pair under the layout at position 1. The connectors are Centronics 50 pin, similar but larger than old parallel printer cables. That gets you 25 pairs from one 66 block to another without running individual wires - and make the panel removeable by disconnecting that one connector, and the power supply.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Friday, March 13, 2020 9:48 AM

I used the Telco 66 blocks at work for years and they are very reliable.  We tried the 110 blocks but everybody liked the 66 better so we stuck with them.
 
The thing I liked the best was the 66B1 with the 50 pin connector on the side.
 
I went with the DB25, DB37 & DB50 connectors for my control panel.
 
 
 
 
I use the Euro connectors between my layout and control panel housing and the DB connectors between the Euro and actual panel.  The panel is removable so that I can work on it at my workbench.
 
The DB37 worked out great for my turnout switch machines, 18 switch machines and a common.  I have 23 turnouts with five operating in parallel.  The DB connectors work well with #19 solid bell wire.
 
 
 
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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Friday, March 13, 2020 9:48 AM

I like what you are already using. As I have said before, I do my best to decentralize, and space is really not an issue.

Having designed and built hundreds of industrial machine control panels and relay panels, in addition to model railroad controls, I have learned how to use a combination of daisy chain and hub/spoke wiring methods to decentralize connections as well.

I have never found a use for 50 pair cable, I never have that many wires between any two control panels or relay boards.

For control wires, again, I like captive terminal blocks like you pictured. For heavier track power wiring with stranded wire, I use conventional terminal strips and StaCon terminals.

Sheldon

    

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Posted by Marc_Magnus on Friday, March 13, 2020 3:21 PM

What you call the european conductors comes in two styles

One as mentionned with a double screw system and an other style where one part can be plugged or inserted in the second half.

Don't know if the plugin one  are available in US, but I have used a lot on my layout, specialy the  plugged one for all my control panels, which make them easy to maintain on the workbench if necessary.

They come in the small size but also in the medium and the big size, allowing to connect any size of wire.

They comes in 12 connections size but they are also some of 24 connections, even they are difficult to find.

The two models  are bullet proof connection and for a long time; don't forget they are approved to be used in the 220v system in Europe.

They are not expensive and versatile, any change can be done with just a screwdriver, no need of soldering or any other stuff.

Seems they are available on Amazon

I can only recommend them for train layout wiring 

 

This is the most common used European connector

This is the plugin system

And a view of one of my control panel; the connectors above it are the plugin model one

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Posted by zstripe on Friday, March 13, 2020 5:59 PM

I also used those so-called european connectors on all kinds of things on the lay out, not only on control panels but even inside buildings, under layout, where ever I needed power connections. I bought the twelve size always and just cut them down. Very easy to cut, with a razor saw or #18 xacto chisel blade. I got all of mine from a Radio Shack store near Me in the late 80's. That is what the pkg. stated.....European style Connectors:

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Posted by RR_Mel on Friday, March 13, 2020 6:57 PM

I use these Phoenix Power Block connectors (12amp rating) between my DC to DC converters, 12 volt switching power supply and my Control Panel.
 
 
 
 
 
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Posted by Paul3 on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:03 AM

At my club, we've used 50-pin ribbon wire connections for things like indicator boards in yards.  In one yard, we have 49 switches, and each one has two LED's (red & green) that light up on a panel.  We use one 50-pin ribbon for all the green LED's and another one for all the red LED's (the 50th connector is the common).

The 50-pin ribbon connector plugs into terminal strips that have small screw terminals attached.  These connectors are used at both ends of the ribbon cable.

Basically, all the LED wiring is routed from the Tortoise machines to a central hub under the yard and tied into the two 50-pin terminals.  All the LED's are wired into the removable yard panel and tied to the panel's twin 50-pin terminals.  Then the two ribbon cables simply conntect the yard hub to the yard panel.

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