First of all, and I am not using it, there is the Lenz system. No one has mentioned one more consideration, and that is how big is your layout and do you expect that you will be expanding it. If this may be the case, then you should consider buying a bigger system than you need now, so you will not have to invest in anther booster in the future. I started off with a Digitrax Zephyr and switched to the NCE Power Cab.
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Hello all,
I am a lone wolf modeler so I wasn't influenced by "What others use".
The system I chose is a dead-end system. No room for expansion other than adding more throttles.
If I had it to do all over again I would have gone with NCE.
The ergonomics of the controller fits my hand nicely and the placement of the throttle wheel works for me. (I found all of this out after purchasing my current system.)
Hope this helps.
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hornblower gave you a great list and all the info is great, with 1 exception. NCE is actually cheaper than Digitrax, and they offer, in my opinion, way better software or whatever you want to call it on their throttles for cheaper prices. The reasons you will see NCE recommended is most likey due to the following:
They are cheaper
Their throttles can be handed to a newbie no problem
Good costumer support
Ridiculously easy programming, consisting, aquiring, and function toggling
My club recommended it to me, and they use digitrax
Nice throttle shape
Splendid HUD (thats what I am calling it 'cause why not) on the LCD screen
If you own a powercab and an NCE usb, and have no need for more amps or signal and turnout controls, you are set for life!!! Why? NCE throttles are incredible drop resiliant so they will last for a lifetime and NCE usb's allow you unlimited Wifi throttles through android or apple devices, as well as programming from your computer and using the other goodies JMRI has to offer. Powercabs are their own command station, booster, and throttle. This means you can take your entire command station to a club with NCE and run trains with it, because it was designed to do that by NCE. Wasn't that nice of them? As you can tell, I chose NCE, and I will go a decent way to defend it. It is good for novices, novice professionals, and pros. It plays no favorites.
I'm beginning to realize that Windows 10 and sound decoders have a lot in common. There are so many things you have to change in order to get them to work the way you want.
It's really neat to see that the Roco z21/Z21 systems are getting some recognition in the states.
I really, really like it!
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I went with Digitrax about 5 years ago. If I was starting over, I'd look very hard at the new ESU system with the Wifi throttles.
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wm #734 wrote: "The only downside is that Roco being a European company, obviously shipping from Europe could be expensive. But occasionally they come up for sale in the US on eBay and there are American dealers."
I bought the "white" "z21" (little "z") from a place called "DM toys" in Germany. Price was very reasonable (99 Euro) and they only charged 10 Euro to ship it all the way over here.
I picked up the TP Link router (pre-configured for the z21 setup) from an American firm.
The z21 (from Europe) will have a German-type plug. I bought a 3rd-party power supply, but the power supply that comes with it can be used by buying a Euro-to-USA converter plug (very cheap).
I have to second Roco's z21. I had an NCE Power Cab before and while it was a perfectly capable system, the z21 is what I would call a more "up to date" system.
It has built in wi-fi without any additional components and the more expensive black Z21 even has Loconet built in so any Digitrax throttles are compatible as well.
The only downside is that Roco being a European company, obviously shipping from Europe could be expensive. But occasionally they come up for sale in the US on eBay and there are American dealers.
The good news is that, other than the underperforming "entry-level" systems, every DCC system is very good and you will be happy with it.
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I'd also suggest you check out the Roco "z21" system. Can be used with wired controllers or via wifi (comes with its own router) with iPhones, Android phones, iPads, or Android tablets. Even with a computer running the software under emulation.
To see it in action, visit YouTube and search for "z21" ...
Some years ago I bought the NCE Power Cab for home. I only run three sound locos.
I had a chance to try the Digitrax starter at a local hobby shop also but did not not like the hand controller.
Rich
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Try all the throttles to see which one you like best. Throttles are NOT interchangeable. You can't use a Digital throttle on NCE or MRC, so make sure you like the throttle before you buy the system.
I have a MRC prodigy express. I like it alot. Only drawback is access to only 15 functions. I plan on upgrading to the prodigy avanced controler for access to more functions. Even after having to purchase the advance hand set, it comes in at a lower price point than the other 'starter' systems.
I have a smaller shelf layout, that I am expanding...this unit suits my needs quite well.
I am sure you will hear more information from people with alot more experience than me. Just offering my opinion on the unit I know.
Hi Sonictrainguy51:
Hornblower has given you a very thorough review of the three main systems so I needn't repeat what he said, however I will put my vote behind NCE. I have an NCE Power Cab at home and my club uses Digitrax. I far prefer the NCE system. It is intuitive and the throttles are easy to understand and use. The Digitrax throttles are very poorly designed and they require that you keep a lot more information in your head than the NCE system does. Of course, over time anyone can learn to operate the Digitrax throttles comfortably, but NCE has a much smaller learning curve. You will be operating trains easily within 1/2 hour of opening the box. Maybe less.
Dave
Edit: I have not operated an MRC system.
I'm just a dude with a bad back having a lot of fun with model trains, and finally building a layout!
I would want to also check out to see what systems are being used by others in your area. The best support group, next to a factory on the phone are those in your area. If there are clubs around you, see what they are using and why.
Years ago I made inquiries between NCE and MRC. Price was not the issue as I knew I wanted wireless. I chose NCE for the ease of use. I have the NCE Powerhouse Pro-R system as well as a Power Cab System. I've also tried the Digitrax at a friend where you can control 2 engines from the one cab without recalling up the other engine. Also, shop around for the best price, don't go by MSRP. There are a number of reliable places to buy from, both online and a LHS.
Good luck on your choice.
Neal
The "best" DCC system is the one that YOU like best! Each system has its advantages and disadvantages. Ergonomics come into play as well. My suggestion would be to visit other DCC users and try out what they use. Have them show you how to acquire and dispatch locos, set up consists, and maybe some simple programming. Again, make sure to try out more than one brand system. I wouldn't go the "what everybody else uses" route as everybody does NOT use it. One of the most popular systems is also the least user-friendly of the bunch. I also would not purchase one of the "entry level" systems like the Bachmann EZ Command as you will quickly outgrow it and need to replace it with another system. Many makers of large systems also offer small "starter" systems that can be expanded into a larger system as your needs grow. I would also look at a system that offers a Wi-Fi connection as anyone with a smart device in their pocket will have a wireless throttle they can use on your layout. This approach will be much cheaper than purchasing multiple wireless throttles for layout guests to use. I have participated in several large operating sessions using Digitrax, NCE and MRC DCC systems. All worked just fine with the major differences being user friendliness and throttle ergonomics. Both Digitrax and MRC offer Wi-Fi connections. Each Digitrax Wi-Fi box allows 4 smart device throttles to be in use simultaneously. The MRC Wi-Fi box allows 8.
At the risk of being flamed, I will briefly discuss my own experiences, likes and dislikes of the three major brand systems I have used, as follows:
Digitrax -- Hands down the most popular brand. However, I think the real reason for its popularity is that Digitrax offered the first systems capable of running large club layouts. Thus, clubs purchased Digitrax systems and so their individual club members also purchased Digitrax systems so they could use their own personal throttles at the club. Thus, lots of people bought Digitrax. The Digitrax systems are very capable and can be very reliable DCC systems with lots and lots of options including loconet, computer access, Wi-Fi, simultaneous use of lots of throttles and plenty of power. Digitrax offers many different throttle types with differing system access. The Digitrax full function throttles are OK but the learning curve can be a little steep. The displays are hard to read and they use odd abbreviations that the user needs to learn. These throttles also offer two throttle controls but I have never run more than one train at a time at an operating session. The full function throttles also use soft rubber buttons, likely for user comfort. Over time, failure to push these buttons straight down (as opposed to slightly sideways as happens when pushed with your thumb) causes ridges to form in the sides of the soft buttons. These ridges eventually get deep enough to catch on the underside of the throttle case, keeping the buttons from releasing. Granted, I have only seen this problem on club owned throttles with lots and lots of use but it does occur. I find I much prefer the Digitrax utility throttles as these are much less complicated and easy to learn. I think my biggest complaint with the Digitrax systems I have used is that glitches seem to be more frequent than with other systems. This seems to be especially true the larger and more complicated the system gets. Several operating sessions I have attended have suffered interruptions caused by some glitch in the Digitrax system. One session I attended had to be abandoned as half the layout went down about an hour into the session and a solution could not be found. Digitrax claims to have the best customer support network but I suspect this is because more customer support is needed than with other systems. Even with such support, ask two different Digitrax users how to set up a consist and you'll get two different answers. More often than not, they'll just grab your throttle and set up your consist for you rather than try to explain all the steps.
NCE -- Even though I have only attended one operating session using an NCE system, this system worked flawlessly on the largest layout I've ever run and the throttle ergonomics are very good. Most advanced users I have talked with agree that the NCE systems are "the best." Unfortunately, the NCE systems are also the most expensive of the three brands. The throttles are the largest of the three systems but the throttle shape fits your hand well and the most important controls are located right where your thumb tends to rest on the front of the throttle. The displays are large and easy to read. Acquiring trains with the NCE throttle was easy although I have not tried to form consists since the consists had already been created by the yard hostlers. This session also used tethered throttles so I can't comment on the NCE wireless capabilities. I also don't know enough about the system to comment on its options, flexibility and expansion capabilities. However, I think it safe to expect it to be capable of running any layout if it so capably runs the huge La Mesa Model Railroad club layout in San Diego.
MRC -- Probably the least popular of the three brands although I don't know why. As the MRC Prodigy Advance system is what I chose to install on my layout, I am also most familiar with its pros and cons. The MRC DCC systems are every bit as reliable and user friendly as MRC DC power packs. MRC has had mixed success with their DCC decoders although I suspect this had more to do with poor quality control at the factory than in the decoder designs. The MRC systems are easy to install with a plug-and-play architecture. Many people claim the MRC systems are not expandable but that is definitely NOT true as most everything is designed to be simply daisy chained together. MRC offers only full function throttles but these are user friendly and the displays are easy to read. Basic operating instructions are printed on the back of each throttle so even MRC novices can get up and running on their own. The ergonomics of these throttles are not as good as on the NCE throttle but the MRC throttles are easier to understand and use than the Digitrax full function throttles. Both tethered and wireless versions of these throttles are available. Although the MRC throttles feel a bit toy-like compared to the Digitrax and NCE throttles, they are actually pretty robust. I have had a couple take a trip or two to the concrete floor with no cosmetic or functional damage. Programming is very easy, and consisting locos is a breeze. MRC wireless throttles have always included on/off switches. There is no need to remove the batteries and the batteries can be recharged while still in the throttle. Originally, MRC did not offer a computer interface but that is no longer true. MRC recently began offering a Wi-Fi box that allows simultaneous use of up to 8 wireless devices as throttles. I was planning to purchase two more wireless throttles for my own operating sessions until I discovered that the MRC W-Fi box is cheaper than a single MRC wireless throttle. The ability to connect eight more smart device throttles for less than the price of another MRC wireless throttle convinced me to install the Wi-Fi box. Installation was a matter of simply plugging the Wi-Fi unit into one of the RJ45 jacks in my existing throttle bus. Download the free "Engine Driver" app to your smart device, connect to the MRC Wi-Fi network in "settings," acquire a train and go! I was originally disappointed that the Prodigy system did not offer as much power as the Digitrax or NCE systems, but this has not proven to be a problem. The original system has reliably powered a 10' by 19' double deck HO scale layout running several trains at a time (including multiple Blue Box locos and other sound equipped locos). I did buy another booster to power one of the decks but have yet to install it. Only one of the other layouts I operate on is powered by an MRC Prodigy system but the owner has enjoyed system reliability similar to my own. My only complaints with this system is with the throttles. First, the throttle encoders sometimes jump multiple speed steps when turned only slightly while other times large turns are needed to move only one or two speed steps. The RJ45 plugs can sometimes lose full connection with the corresponding jacks requiring the tethered throttles to be unplugged and plugged back in to restore operation. The encoder knob location at the bottom of the throttle is also not as handy as the thumbwheel below the display of the NCE throttles. I have heard complaints regarding MRC's lack of customer service but, aside from a firmware update to get my early version Prodigy Advance (not squared) system to talk to the far newer wireless throttles I purchased only a couple of years ago, I have had no reason to contact customer service. It did take a few weeks to send my command station in to MRC for the upgrade but it did happen within the quoted timeframe. I suspect that the MRC support system is so underdeveloped compared to the Digitrax support system simply because the MRC DCC systems do not require similar levels of technical support.
If I were to start over, I would probably purchase the MRC system again. It has proven to be reliable, easy to operate and very cost effective. It might not have all the bells and whistles offered by the Digitrax or NCE systems but, with the exception of dispatcher controlled trackside signals, I haven't seen many of those bells and whistles used on the various layouts I have operated. I also have yet to replace or abandon a single component of my MRC system since it was installed on my current layout in 2007. All in all, I've been very happy with my investment.
Hornblower
I just got my second DCC Sound locomotive and I plan to be getting a DCC controller. What would be a good DCC controller to start with?