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Signals --- Some simple things manufacturers could do

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 24, 2016 11:23 AM

NP01

I have a layout (still under construction) with about 50' of track laid (25 feet scenicked). I am on the Digitrax bandwagon with all switches on DCC and all sections detected (except yard ladder). 

Even though I am handy with a soldering iron and JMRI, signalling is excruciating time consuming. I have tried two methods ... One using the SMBK board from Digitrax and one with the "Signal Break Out Board" ... both involve lot of soldering  

Will anyone offer signals that can actually be plugged into a connector? I found that a telephone plug (4-wire) is perfect for single head and 6-wire workes for dual head. I wish signal manufacturers offered this ... So I could install and "plug" signals in rather than having to create connectors. 

Nothing available ... If I got a large bonus I am being tempted to hire someone to do all the signalling ... Well ... Ain't going to happen. 

 

RR-Cirkits Fan out boards might be what you are looking for.  RR-cirkits even produces Loconet compatible products (See detection and signaling section on website link below) as well as LCC products.

http://www.rr-cirkits.com/description/index.html

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Posted by retsignalmtr on Saturday, August 20, 2016 8:31 PM

I'm not into electronics, but I do like to solder. I worked as a signal maintainer for 31 years, so I obtained loads of miniature relays, Atlas G type signals, NCE BD20 current detectors and some PC boards and using the same circuit drawings I worked with I built my system that works just like the real thing and it is something I can easily repair or modify. Oh and I am using resistor wheelsets to detect every car. This is in N gauge.

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, August 19, 2016 3:28 PM

 Switch to N scale? The Digitrax signal masts, plus a bit of plastic to make a target, are just the right size for N scale 3 color signals.

 There is just no way around it, a 3 light signal has at least 4 wires. Solder them to the SMBK and then THAT can plug in to the 10 pin IDC connectors on the ribbon cable. It's not THAT much soldering, and soldering is relaxing anyway. You can make those all up comfortably seated at the bench instead of soldering under the layout.

 For the Se8C's, use the breakout boards if you are using the other connections, otherwise the only connection to solder would be the power supply, the signals plug in to the 10 pin connectors with ICD connectors on the ribbon cabe, no soldering required. If you are using the Tortoise drives on teh SE8C, or the detector inputs, the breakout board lets youc onnect that stuff to screw terminals and just plug the board intot eh edge connector. Likewise with BDL-168, if you use the breakout bloards you don;t have to solder anything, just connect to the screw terminals.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Friday, August 19, 2016 11:44 AM

The connector thing can be a real problem.  I doubt if the manufacturers will ever get together on the connector problem. 
 
I agree with you, it Ain’t going to happen!
 
At one time I thought that the NMRA 8 pin DCC connector would fix the problem.  The NMRA connector is a .100” SIP connector.  The .100” spacing is an electronics industry standard, LEDs, transistors, ICs and etc.
 
I decided to do my own thing using micro connectors, single row 40 & double row 80 pin SIP .100” socket connector strips.  There are also a male single row 40 & double row 80 pin male header strips.  The strips can be easily cut to any number of contacts.
 
 
It takes some soldering but it’s a one time job.  The good thing about standardizing on a type of connector is everything becomes easily interchangeable.  A single pin can be removed and reversed to make polarized connectors to prevent accidentally plugging in the wrong connectors.    
 
I used a 3 pin micro connector on all of my single searchlight signals.  A 3 pin SIP connector is .300” x .100”, they fit through a 5/16” x 1/8” hole easily.  For testing I made 24” long male to female jumpers in several configurations, 2, 3, 4, 8 & 9 pins.  The 8 & 9 pin jumpers work great for testing DCC decoders.
 
 
 
 

 

 
Mel
 
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My Model Railroad   
 
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Posted by Paul3 on Friday, August 19, 2016 10:42 AM

NP01,
Didn't Atlas offer such a system?

http://www.atlasrr.com/Trackmisc/hosignals.htm

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Signals --- Some simple things manufacturers could do
Posted by NP01 on Friday, August 19, 2016 9:41 AM

I have a layout (still under construction) with about 50' of track laid (25 feet scenicked). I am on the Digitrax bandwagon with all switches on DCC and all sections detected (except yard ladder). 

Even though I am handy with a soldering iron and JMRI, signalling is excruciating time consuming. I have tried two methods ... One using the SMBK board from Digitrax and one with the "Signal Break Out Board" ... both involve lot of soldering  

Will anyone offer signals that can actually be plugged into a connector? I found that a telephone plug (4-wire) is perfect for single head and 6-wire workes for dual head. I wish signal manufacturers offered this ... So I could install and "plug" signals in rather than having to create connectors. 

Nothing available ... If I got a large bonus I am being tempted to hire someone to do all the signalling ... Well ... Ain't going to happen. 

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