I was given a pair of BLI B&O F7's road number 233 as a gift by a friend. He bought them used off E Bay and boxes are long gone. He thinks they where Paragon 2's, but I am not to sure.
I had a lot of problems getting the A unit to move, B unit is stuck in idle mode so far. A unit runs and pulls finel, but is pretty quite, more than likely it is beacuse it is a small engine. Only F buttons that work are F-1 F-2 and the head and road number lights.
I have read the CV's with decoder pro, and all it could tell me was it was a BLI F7 decoder. Said volume is at 100% so it might be just a quite engine.
Before I do a re-set on the decoder, I would like a idea off what decoder I am working with.
Thanks for the coming answers, Ken
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Those were original Paragon series, with the QSI decoder.
They also did Blueline F7's, but not B&O, those road number B&O units are QSI sound.
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rrinker Those were original Paragon series, with the QSI decoder. They also did Blueline F7's, but not B&O, those road number B&O units are QSI sound. --Randy
Rich
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Rich,
I assume you mean Blueline rather than Paragon 2. The Paragon 2s had a single sound/motor decoder...
Tom
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tstage Rich, I assume you mean Blueline rather than Paragon 2. The Paragon 2s had a single sound/motor decoder... Tom
Turns out, the B&O F7 A/B consist (#233/233X) was part of the original Paragon series (BLI #405).
richhotrainTurns out, the B&O F7 A/B consist (#233/233X) was part of the original Paragon series (BLI #405).
Correct.
Here's a list of discontinued BLI models for a handy reference.
http://www.broadway-limited.com/discontinueditems.aspx
Happy Modeling, Ed
Thanks Guys!
Sorry it to so long but my computer had problems!
OK, they are QSI, I know what a Blue Line Looks like, it sits on the RIP Track most of the time!
Randy Can you speed match a QSI decoder? I did a quick search and I think you said no?
Thanks again,Ken
Ken,
The one thing to understand about speed matching is that it can not make a slow engine go faster it can only slow down a fast engine to match the slower one.
I really don't know where the problem lies in that B unit. I ran it with three others in an A-B-B-A set. Before I put it in the box I ran the A-B pair for maybe ten minutes and didn't notice anything wrong...
SO,
I could send you another BLI F7 decoder but if there is a motor problem or drive-line problem it obviously won't fix that.
I'll send you another B unit and if you want you can swap the shells and send the bad one back to me when you get a chance, or keep the shell if you want two different numbers, I think this one is #235.
I'll get it boxed up in the next day or so. I'm pretty sure I sent along a BLI Paragon booklet. If not let me know and I'll send you a few.
I have about two-dozen BLI F units in CB&Q, GN, WP, NYC, B&O and PRR. So far none have given me any trouble. I'd like to figure out what the problem is with the 'ol 233!
Regards, Ed
QSI uses CV2-6-5 and they have speed table so you can speed match them.
Randy and Ed, I have decoder-pro up and it says I have CV's 1,2,3,4,5 then 7 and 8? No CV 6? This is from the A unit that running. And it runs Great!
Ed, I wonder if the problem might not be the B unit is still in MU mode? Don't pack up anything just yet, I am sure the engine will run fine!
Thanks for the answers!
Ken
cudakenEd, I wonder if the problem might not be the B unit is still in MU mode? Don't pack up anything just yet, I am sure the engine will run fine!
If I'm not mistaken, that has the Quantum V.7 decoder in it.
I thought I put the manual in the box but BLI has it on their site.
http://www.broadway-limited.com/support/manuals/Generic%20Diesel%20Q1a%20Operator's%20Manual.pdf
Lots of BLI users get stumped by the F9/F6 shutdown procedure:
Three Stages of Diesel Locomotive Shut Down: 1. Disconnect, 2. Standby, 3. Total Shut Down (F9) Locomotive Shut Down has three distinct stages that you can control. Each stage is entered by double pressing the F9 key27. Stage One: Disconnect Double press the F9 key in Neutral to enter Disconnect. You will hear a Long Air Let-off. The motor drive will be disabled. The DCC throttle can be moved up and down without the diesel locomotive moving. As the throttle is moved up or down, you will hear the Diesel Motor rev up and down in proportion to the throttle setting. To leave Disconnect, either double press the F6 Start Up key, as described in the Start Up section or double press the F9 key again to reach Standby, the next stage of Shut Down. Note: In Disconnect, you can also turn on the Dynamic Brakes (see description of Dynamic Brakes below) to create Sound–of-Power as the throttle is moved up and down. Engineers on prototype diesels use dynamic brakes to load the motor-generator to test its output efficiency while the locomotive remains stationary. Stage Two: Standby Double press the F9 key while in Disconnect to enter Standby. You will hear a Long Air Let-off followed by a special “Low Idle” sound. The Directional Lighting and optional Ditch Lights or Mars Light will shut down. Note: The motor will remain disconnected, while the Air Pumps, automatic Cooling Fan operation, Number Board Lights and Cab Lights will continue to operate. In Standby, the locomotive will not respond to throttle or function keys28. The three exceptions are the F6 Start Up Key, the F8 Mute Key (described below) and the F10 Status Key (described below). To leave Standby, either double press the F6 Start Up Key, as described in the Start Up section, or double press the F9 key again to reach the final stage of Shut Down: Total Shut Down. Note: Standby is ideal for leaving your locomotive running on a siding. Besides hearing the Low Idle diesel motor sounds, the locomotive will not respond to accidentally changing the throttle setting or pressing the function keys. Stage Three: Total Shut Down Total Shut Down allows the operator to take the locomotive “off line” (turn off sounds, lights, ignore throttle settings and function commands) independent of the operating session: the locomotive will still be “off line” when power is reapplied for the next operating session, regardless of whether the next session is Analog (conventional DC) or DCC. Double press the F9 in Standby to enter Total Shut Down. You will hear a Long Air Let-off. The Air Pumps will turn off, followed by the Number Boards (if so equipped) and the sounds of the Cooling Fans shutting off, the louvers closing, the Diesel Motor shutting down and finally, the Cab Lights (if so equipped) turning off. A few seconds later you will hear the engineer’s door open and then shut. Note: In Total Shut Down, the locomotive will not respond to throttle or function keys. The two exceptions are the F6 Start Up Key (described below) and the F10 Status Key (described below). To leave Total Shut Down, double press the F6 key. Note: If power is turned off at any stage of Shut Down (Disconnect, Standby or Total Shut Down) or during a Shut Down procedure, the locomotive will remember the last Shut Down stage it was at during power down, and the locomotive will power up in the same stage. If Start Up is initiated during any of the above Shut Down procedures, Shut Down is aborted, and locomotive will return to normal operation.
Have you tried a Hard Reset???
You need a much stronger magnet than BLI supplies OR take the shell off to get to the reed switch or push button.
To Reset Your Locomotive to Factory Default Values (Analog and DCC) In case your locomotive’s sound and control system misbehaves and turning the power off and back on does not return it to normal operation, you can reset your locomotive to original factory values. Locomotives with Jumpers and Turn Pots Turn off the power. Locate the jumper as shown in the Diesel Model Specification sheet that was included with your model. Remove the jumper by pulling it up. Reapply power; after a few seconds you hear the word “Reset”. Turn power off, reinstall the jumper. The locomotive has now been returned to original factory defaults for all DCC and Analog values. Locomotives with Magnetic Reed Switches Locate the reed switch area as shown in the Diesel Model Specifications sheet that came with the locomotive. Turn off the power. Place the Magnetic Wand over the reed switch area and apply power and leave the wand there until you hear the word “Reset”. Your locomotive is now reset to original factory defaults including all DCC and Analog values.
When I run M-Ued locomotives like an ABBA set I generally set them all to the same address and only change the NDOT of the trailing A unit. I don't normally use advanced consisting.
Good Luck, Ed
Hmm, says in the back CVs 1-5, 7-. So I guess no CV6 for mid speed.
Thanks Ed and Randy. I just down loaded the manual.
Ed, what I got was the manual for Pargon 2 engines.
I will read a little later.
Thanks again, Ken