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Posted by rrboomer on Thursday, May 14, 2015 2:23 PM

If unit has the old style "Sintered" wheels they could be contributing to flickering.

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Posted by Mark R. on Monday, May 11, 2015 6:32 PM

Wouldn't be "half wave power" .... this is a DC engine ....

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Posted by mlehman on Monday, May 11, 2015 12:31 AM

Since there was some hacking out of the "flasher" unit, I suspect another possibility. Assuming the resistor is still inline to protect, it may be possible that when the flasher was cut out one wire was left loose and is now picking up half-wave power through the chassis. That can account for the flickering if only one half of the diode circuit was excised. Not saying this is it, but if the OP hasn't verified the circuits feeding power to the headlights this is a good time to do so.

 I say this because I'm thinking the F unit has two headlights. It was common when this was the case for one to be a Mars or other similar type, while the other remained a steady-on headlight. The Rio Grande is one example of such a practice, so I'm guessing something similar is what the OP has on his hands.

If it does have just one headlight and it was rigged to simulate a Mars light, that would be rather strange.

In either case, check the wiring of what's left for any possibility of grounding through a loose wire to the chassis.

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Posted by Mark R. on Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:50 AM

The trouble is the electrical pick up. LEDs are extremely sensitive to interruptions in power. No doubt your engine still has the old style sintered iron wheels, which aren't the greatest for good contact. On top of that, you have a mechanic electrical connection between the trucks and the chassis - again, another weak spot for electrical continuity.

Make sure the truck / frame contact is clean, and polish the wheels until they look like chrome. It will help, but I wouldn't be surprised if you still get a bit of flickering.

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Posted by ricktrains4824 on Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:30 AM

Should already have a resister, (EDIT: I say this, as most LED's will not like a full 12V power supplied to them, so, if you have run it full-power and the LED still lights, most likely it has a resister.), sounds to me like it is a very slight intermittent power issue, not enough you notice on speed, but just enough to flicker the light. (Is it DC only still?) It may just need a good, thorough wheel and pick-up cleaning. Don't forget about the pick-ups between the trucks and frame. A good site for instructions on tuning up Athearn Locomotives is: http://www.mcor-nmra.org/Publications/Articles/Athearn_TuneUp.php

It covers things such as rewiring for better contact, (which I highly recommend BTW, though not 100% mandatory if sticking with DC.), and replacement wheelsets, along with adding DCC if you so desire to go that far. 

Note: The points of interest here, for this issue, would be cleaning the strips and truck contacts, if you use those, or re wire as covered on that site, discussed about 3/4 down the page. And ignore the information on replacing the headlight, as that information is slightly outdated... And irrelevant as the prior owner already did that for you.

When you have the trucks off, clean and polish both the contacts on the truck AND frame... Cleaning only one side will not be helpful here. 

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Posted by RR_Mel on Sunday, May 10, 2015 7:18 AM

 
Does the locomotive have a DCC decoder with the LED connected to the white wire.  If the locomotive doesn’t have a decoder and the LED is directional there may or may not be a diode with a resistor in series with the LED, if the LED isn’t directional there is a bridge diode somewhere.
 
The flasher circuit may have had a diode and regulator to set the voltage to 3.6 volts for the LED.
 
LEDs don’t linger with momentary loss of power like a incandescent bulb.  Dirty wheels will cause an LED to flicker without an obvious problem to the motor.  The motor brush contact to the commutator can also make an LED flicker by spiking the voltage.  An easy fix, after cleaning the wheels, is to put a capacitor across the LED after the resistor, make sure the polarity of the Cap is correct.  A 100 μfd @ 25 volts should do the trick.
 
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LED as headlight....
Posted by CNWman on Saturday, May 9, 2015 8:04 PM

I purchased a used DC Athearn bluebox F7 with flywheels. It runs smoothly. The previous owner changed the headlight to LED and he had soldered a flasher unit on the headlight. I didn't like it so I cut it out of the headlight leads (it had its own wires). Now the light doesn't flash, but it seems to sometimes flicker. It isn't a steady strong light. It doesn't matter what speed it is run; it still flickers. The wires are securely soldered. What's going on? Does it need a resistor? 

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